obligatory "everything after clayman sux" post.

even more obligatory "everything sux" post.

i think im gona make a post about that

Funny, some peoples idea of heaven is my hell!
I would have paid to escape that.

lol just what I was thinking when I clicked the link

so much synth-playbacks :\

trackname? :O

thats my sweet shadow

They try too hard :/

Its actually "my sweet shadow"

rofl youre right, how emberrassing :)

Its actually "shit"

i was expecting something else :/

gang bang?

well that was an option

ewww

wtf is that noise;p

In Flames are a shit sellout band and a disgrace to metal (if you can call them that anymore) They should have ended their existence 12 years ago when their music was at least halfway listenable. *pukes*

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1631325

sorry if i offended you but anyone who knows anything about metal knows that what i speak is truth

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=11

read and weep. the band you love is trash

edit: nice link btw, does that kid like in flames too? im willing to bet he does at first glance

tell me, how this topic related to cheating in q3?? so wtf r u doing here????? move your ass to "Sombra banned for life", to figure out what will happend with you soon...

I agree that A Sense of Purpose sucked but the albums before that were all good. Metal-archives is a site for metal elitists who only listen to inaccessible shitty produced "tr00" metal. I like both old and new In Flames.

new in flames is mainstream crap. mainstream music is dumbed down for the masses and gayed, 99% of everything on the radio sucks, including new in flames. if you like that you probably also like some n'sync and britney spears.

yeah the rule of thumb is when more than 100 people actually like what you hear it's time to call said music sell outs and move on.

It's not about enjoying music it's about making a statement.

Same goes for musicians,if you have more than a hundred fans it's time to either fuck up when playing or break up the band. Making music that people like is not cool!

ffs, someone please bring back the times when metal fans were actually music fans and not copies of emos.

theres always exceptions to the rule, but basically what he is saying is that in general people are uneducated idiots with poor taste, and when a band like in flames becomes popular for catering to these people they are deemed 'shit'

as i said there are many exceptions, alot of legit good bands become liked also

they do not play in flames on the radio or tv where i live (northern california). when i talk to people at work about music i will mention in flames and they won't know who i'm talking about. i don't like pop music for the most part.
i do like the new style of in flames that incorporates pop elements in their music (except their latest album). i also like the old melodic death style. in flames isn't the only melodeath band to develop a more mainstream sound either.

there are times when production is good and other times when it is overdone to detract from the fact the music is garbage. calling someone elitist when they expose flaws in the music is a cop out argument

dark tranquillity is a melodeath band that has been around about as long as in flames and even shared a vocalist. guess what, they never sold out like in flames and although their music isn't exactly fucking amazing it at least remains competent to this day after many releases. scores on metal archive reflect this as they have around 80% and sometimes more on each cd. guess what, their albums also have pretty fucking polished production.

please think before you post next time so that you don't come off as plain ignorant on the subject

a good friend of mine who is drummer in a Ska/Punk/Ragga/Rock/Hip Hop combo and also runs a music studio actually told me two weeks ago that if you listen closely and past the normal base lines Christina Aguilera songs actually contain very artistic parts.

Too bad you have to miss out on that because pop music is evil per se.

Personally, I don't like most of her songs but a few are actually not that bad.



Hmmm, why am I writing this, why should music be the only thing where having an open mind is seen as positive.

i won't say all pop music is shit but in general it is. not enough good stuff to waste my time going through the shit to find it. if music is actually good and popular i don't turn my nose to it. i think you seem to think that this is the deciding factor but actually its the content that bothers me

i listen to dark tranquillity also. none of their material is as good as in flames but still a good band.
why do you keep bringing up metal-archive scores? i couldn't give a fuck what the people on that site think. i could post links to a lot more sites where people give newer in flames amazing reviews.

MA to metal is like IMDB to movies. theres quite a few times that i disagree with the collective reviews but a majority of the time it is spot on. its not a closed community, anyone can post reviews there. the reviews just aren't let in if they are not competent. it basically weeds out fanwhore shit and useless bashing. its a good resource

i know this. i have been to the site. imdb has some of the stupidest scores i've ever seen and i only use it to look up information. i would never go on a forum and go LOL THAT MOVIE SUCKS JUST LOOK AT THESE IMDB RATINGS.

or course not, only a naive person would only go based on scores. its one of many factors that goes towards my judgement. if i think its shit, ma think its shit, and mtv is advertizing it, i kinda know its a shit band. know what im sayin? :P

uhh.. people who claim you can have 'better' taste are retarded, and you just proved it.

also, if you knew anything you'd know that they play old stuff live aswell.

i am just saying that you enjoy a band that plays dumbed down uninspired redundant music that takes little talent and doesn't even add anything creative to the table. this is no worse than you saying greendays new cd is shit (god forbid if you actually like them). get over it

if being able to tell when a metal band is crap and shallow makes me retarded, so be it. i certainly don't apologize for it

what kids usually fail to realize is that people get older and their taste change. so did in flames'.

i doubt its about "selling out" because theres much much larger genres to play music in if you're in it for the money. it's just that what they like to play and perform might have changed over the years.

and no, i dont like green day myself but i can respect that other people do. i'm not narrow minded. i usually make jokes like you do for fun but i'm never serious about it.

i guess the key word is 'respect'.

oh cmon, are you arguing that they got older and wiser and evolved their sound? just like metallica right? don't be foolish. in flames systematically dumbed down each cd adding pop/mainstream elements until it became commercial and only then did they start getting mad $$$. they are now comfortable and their music really shows no progression whatsoever other than becoming more mainstream. i never said i didn't think they enjoyed what they do, because i am almost certain that they do. i am sure they are laughing all the way to the bank.

why would in flames change genres when they are doing a fine job playing easy mindless music in the genre they have played for years and still getting new fans by adding mallcore aspects to each cd? i certainly wouldn't want to change what i am doing if it is working...

i can respect in flames for being musicians andalso for their music being infinitely better than most mainstream shit. the sad thing is when it comes down to it their music is BEYOND mediocre and shallow when you compare it to even some other metal bands in the exact same sub-genre and it is fucking insulting that they are hailed as being so great when they really are doing nothing that hasn't been done before. it robs truly talented bands from the recognition they deserve

why call me a kid? i might only be 21 but i can almost guarantee you i was an in flames fan WAY before you even knew who they were. this is back when they were up and coming and putting their heart into the music and trying something different. im guessing you are just one of the fans that they picked up along the way after blatantly compromising their music to rake in the cash from other people like you.

oh cmon, are you arguing that they got older and wiser and evolved their sound? just like metallica right? don't be foolish. in flames systematically dumbed down each cd adding pop/mainstream elements until it became commercial and only then did they start getting mad $$$. they are now comfortable and their music really shows no progression whatsoever other than becoming more mainstream. i never said i didn't think they enjoyed what they do, because i am almost certain that they do. i am sure they are laughing all the way to the bank.
what? did i say wiser? i'm not a big fan of metallica so i can't comment on that either. why are you afraid of mainstream? i can understand people who dont like what they have become, but it's nothing bad about it. i like their new style aswell as their old style and you can't do anything about it. you can cry in your elitist emo corner and think that real metal is only one type of metal. people like you are the reason things won't progress anywhere.

why would in flames change genres when they are doing a fine job playing easy mindless music in the genre they have played for years and still getting new fans by adding mallcore aspects to each cd? i certainly wouldn't want to change what i am doing if it is working...
because you think they "sold out". if they turned to rock they could reach an even larger crowd but they havnt. if this was about earning money they could do so much better in that sense.

i can respect in flames for being musicians andalso for their music being infinitely better than most mainstream shit. the sad thing is when it comes down to it their music is BEYOND mediocre and shallow when you compare it to even some other metal bands in the exact same sub-genre and it is fucking insulting that they are hailed as being so great when they really are doing nothing that hasn't been done before. it robs truly talented bands from the recognition they deserve
i think anders is a very good singer and i don't think it hurts them to put some normal vocals in it (this is what most anti-new in flames people usually whine about). björn is also an awesome guitarr player and i can't see why they could show some other stuff than the the most raw thing they could imagine. this all boils down to taste, once again. i've tried to find similar bands but i can't seem to enjoy them as much as i like in flames. they have that special something which i can't really explain. maybe it's because their wide area of music they create while others sound the same cd after cd (hi like every other metal band). and i don't really understand what you mean by robbed other bands.

why call me a kid? i might only be 21 but i can almost guarantee you i was an in flames fan WAY before you even knew who they were. this is back when they were up and coming and putting their heart into the music and trying something different. im guessing you are just one of the fans that they picked up along the way after blatantly compromising their music to rake in the cash from other people like you.
because it's usually elitist kids who think they have a right to claim a genre. older (see mature) is more open and accepting when it comes to music generally. and what if you listened to them before me? does that mean you can claim knowing better?

i guess i'm the only one who has seem them live between us.. does that make me a super hero?

what does that have to do with anything?

which one

my bad, let me read it, for some reason i thought you just pasted what i said

i lost interest with in flames long before they became mainstream because they lost all originality after Colony. its not BECAUSE they went mainstream its because they stopped developing their sound. they were bound to become more popular because as their music became more bubble gum and trendy (and uninteresting to me) it is easier for alot of people to listen to them. you may call their new cds improvements but if you listen to in flames of old and in flames of now its pretty similar, just alot worse. in flames did essentially go rock because most of their music resembles pop-rock as much as it does metal. i am not too fond of the jonathan davis vocals either, but thats not the worst of the band.

real metal? lol cmon now i don't care if this is metal or not if it was post-rock and dumbed down i would point it out if it was hailed as the best evar when it isn't anywhere near that when compared to other bands in that genre. as far as me being the reason why things won't progress anywhere i argue that in flames is why gothenburg metal has went downhill recently and stopped progressing. even if they are not the sole reason they are definitely a contributing factor.

once again i am sorry for coming off elitist but as i said before i HATE it when bands like in flames become the 'face' of melodic death metal and completely ruin it for many other talented creative bands that actually put substance into their music.

"i've tried to find similar bands but i can't seem to enjoy them as much as i like in flames."

im not sure if you mean metal in general but since in flames are melodic death i can suggest a couple bands from that genre you probably havn't heard:

Disillusion: a REALLY unique band that made one of the deepest metal cds ive ever heard. definately worth a listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5eGmM-49A
(shit lol the song is so long only half of it is in that video)

The Absence: not many know who they are but they are one of the few new melodic death bands that can still kickass playing an oldschool sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3XmTFO9cyU

"while others sound the same cd after cd (hi like every other metal band)"

you serious? while alot of bland bands do sound the same that is a crazy accusation and a huge generalization. you saying all metal bands besides in flames are bad? :(

as far as me not being open minded usually i don't even feel like arguing against that because its not true at all. if you wanna pm me or chat on irc about my tastes we can but i don't find it fitting here

oh wow.. another wall of text thread.. how do i get myself into this :(

i lost interest with in flames long before they became mainstream because they lost all originality after Colony. its not BECAUSE they went mainstream its because they stopped developing their sound. they were bound to become more popular because as their music became more bubble gum and trendy (and uninteresting to me) it is easier for alot of people to listen to them. you may call their new cds improvements but if you listen to in flames of old and in flames of now its pretty similar, just alot worse. in flames did essentially go rock because most of their music resembles pop-rock as much as it does metal. i am not too fond of the jonathan davis vocals either, but thats not the worst of the band.
that is exactly what an emo kid who hangs out in the mall would say. who cares if its mainstream or not, why even bring that to the table? it's about music, not fans. and i listen to all their music, i just prefer post reroute and remain albums. some old songs are good aswell but i can't change the way i feel about their music.

real metal? lol cmon now i don't care if this is metal or not if it was post-rock and dumbed down i would point it out if it was hailed as the best evar when it isn't anywhere near that when compared to other bands in that genre. as far as me being the reason why things won't progress anywhere i argue that in flames is why gothenburg metal has went downhill recently and stopped progressing. even if they are not the sole reason they are definitely a contributing factor.
i'm sorry but i cant understand half this post. how can you blame a band for the development of a whole city? thats a bit of a stretch isnt it. and by you being the reason its not progressing i mean people who think certain genres should sound a certain way. ok if you dont like it, but saying its shit is wrongz.

once again i am sorry for coming off elitist but as i said before i HATE it when bands like in flames become the 'face' of melodic death metal and completely ruin it for many other talented creative bands that actually put substance into their music.
substance into their music? i think you're taking water over your head here. music is about a band creating 'art' to express themselves. and what you find talented and robbed of light is not what everyone thinks, has that thought struck you? earlier in this thread you said that you don't like bands when they turn mainstream. how come you want other "good" bands to face the same thing? with your logic you would dislike them as soon as that happens. this would make you an underground whore who don't really listen to the music but wants to be unique in some weird way.

"i've tried to find similar bands but i can't seem to enjoy them as much as i like in flames."

im not sure if you mean metal in general but since in flames are melodic death i can suggest a couple bands from that genre you probably havn't heard:

Disillusion: a REALLY unique band that made one of the deepest metal cds ive ever heard. definately worth a listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5eGmM-49A
(shit lol the song is so long only half of it is in that video)

The Absence: not many know who they are but they are one of the few new melodic death bands that can still kickass playing an oldschool sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3XmTFO9cyU
heh.. funny how you say that they are unique and no one knows about them. you get off on those words right? the worst thing that could happen to these band in your eyes is being discovered, amirite?

"while others sound the same cd after cd (hi like every other metal band)"

you serious? while alot of bland bands do sound the same that is a crazy accusation and a huge generalization. you saying all metal bands besides in flames are bad? :(

as far as me not being open minded usually i don't even feel like arguing against that because its not true at all. if you wanna pm me or chat on irc about my tastes we can but i don't find it fitting here
let me put some light on this statement. i try to find new music i like all the time, with VERY little success. i might be picky but thats how i roll. anyways, i usually download/buy "discography" of some artist and listen to a few songs from all the albums and then make my judgement. i can't remember any names at the moment but it's mostly one of the following:

1. too deep growling, makes me laugh.
2. no 'rythm' in the drums, very repetative
3. too much viking-guitars

that's why i generally dislike metal. if someone says "ohh what do you listen to" and i say metal they go "omg have you heard this band called 'i killed your whole family and i love blood in my face??"" and its basicly some guy screaming on top of his lounges with his face painted white and black. you know? maybe i'm not a metal fan then, but who cares. i'm not really a genre freak.

and if you dont like to discuss it i suggest you stop posting :D

you are fucking becoming retarded and twisting my words. i said i disliked in flames BEFORE they became mainstream (learn to read pal) to point out it had nothing to do with their success as to why i didn't like them.

guess what i like music that is successful and mainstream too! i like opeth, i like dream theater, i like alice in chains, i like led zeppelin, i like chick corea, i like guns n roses, i even like some old beastie boys for christ sake. i like stuff thats popular too... MY POINT IS NOT that known bands are shit. its that when a band compromises their music to appeal to the idiot majority to become famous rather then push their good musical qualities to get known than to me that makes me dislike the band. alot. is it that hard to comprehend? tell me a few reasons why you like in flames besides them 'sounding cool and having cool guitarist and cool singer' and i might take your opinion seriously

i can talk shit about in flames hurting melodic death metal because when every new band that plays a similar style of music as them are constantly compared to them it pressures them to sound like that shit. and the band needs to eat so ultimately they will be tempted to go that way even if its not the music that they really deep down want to play. especially when idiots like you have certain shit qualities you listen for that is based in bubble gum pop. not hard to understand is it?

i won't even comment on how fucking stupid you just looked lumping dozens of metal sub genres together by talking about facepaint, gore, and harsh vocals. also you talking about drumming not having rhythm alot of times and being repetitive = lol. i am willing to bet you know nothing about drums. regardless that post shows how fucking ignorant you really are. i don't only like metal btw so plz dont make that up in your next post

edit: o and btw i have considered that other people do like the stuff and i can't hold it against them that they like shit music. music is an art but saying all music is good because it is art is beyond ignorant

and i didnt blame in flames for harming a whole city gothenburg is a genre of metal. sorry if that confused you

you are fucking becoming retarded and twisting my words. i said i disliked in flames BEFORE they became mainstream (learn to read pal) to point out it had nothing to do with their success as to why i didn't like them.
uhh.. k

guess what i like music that is successful and mainstream too! i like opeth, i like dream theater, i like alice in chains, i like led zeppelin, i like chick corea, i like guns n roses, i even like some old beastie boys for christ sake. i like stuff thats popular too... MY POINT IS NOT that known bands are shit. its that when a band compromises their music to appeal to the idiot majority to become famous rather then push their good musical qualities to get known than to me that makes me dislike the band. alot. is it that hard to comprehend? tell me a few reasons why you like in flames besides them 'sounding cool and having cool guitarist and cool singer' and i might take your opinion seriously
i think youre having the wrong angle here. maybe they changed because they wanted to and not to get more fans? has that thought ever struck you? and i can't explain why i like certain music. i like anders voice, i like how they use the drums and i like most of their melodies (i dont know if this is the correct word in english but i'm gonna try!). what gets me going mostly is the energy and timing they have for some reason. other bands in other genres has this 'talent' too, like justice or prodigy. daft punk at their alive tour etc..

i can talk shit about in flames hurting melodic death metal because when every new band that plays a similar style of music as them are constantly compared to them it pressures them to sound like that shit. and the band needs to eat so ultimately they will be tempted to go that way even if its not the music that they really deep down want to play. especially when idiots like you have certain shit qualities you listen for that is based in bubble gum pop. not hard to understand is it?
i guess this is a numbers game if you have this angle to it. if you make music a lot of people like you will get more money than music that fewer people like. i can't see how you can make this a problem? that's like saying everyone is forced to play football because its more money than in fussball (or whatever indoor football is called). yes that might be true but its so besides the point! and i dont have guidelines, lol, i just listed a few examples what i don't like. i bet you have those aswell (just scroll up and you'll find them).

i won't even comment on how fucking stupid you just looked lumping dozens of metal sub genres together by talking about facepaint, gore, and harsh vocals. also you talking about drumming not having rhythm alot of times and being repetitive = lol. i am willing to bet you know nothing about drums. regardless that post shows how fucking ignorant you really are. i don't only like metal btw so plz dont make that up in your next post
what im saying is i can be sort of ashamed of metal being that 'stupid' facepaint music just as you might feel about in flames. and who makes you right and not me? can you see where im getting at now? and music isnt about knowledge, its about what you like. stop acting like you would "know" more about what i like than i do. that's just stupid.

edit: o and btw i have considered that other people do like the stuff and i can't hold it against them that they like shit music. music is an art but saying all music is good because it is art is beyond ignorant
now we're just talking about definition of words :D. good/bad/art/music/shit.... art can't be judged in good or bad i believe. whats the expression in english again.. it's basicly saying that art is more or less beautiful depending on who views it. to you it might be shit, to me it might be awesome. and in the end -- who cares?

ok. i was just saying that in flames are not unique or original, and hook fans using material from modern rock. my tastes excludes artists like this. if you like them so be it. ill just forget about it. i probably shouldn't have ranted

twist it around and see it as bringing more people to the metal scene.

if it wasnt for in flames i wouldnt be in to metal and searching for new things i like at all. when i said i didnt like any metal i was sort of exaggerating. there are some stuff i like but i keep coming back to IF.

i've met dozens of in flames fans over the years who said they started out with IF and then discovered other stuff they like. but i guess some people are just too filled with anger to see stuff positive.

most people i know started listening to metallica, and i fucking despise them. if someone posted a show of metallica playing st anger or something i would have probably made a similar post :)

once again you sound like an emo in the mall.. oh well.. i guess post #91 and #93 pretty much sums up this thread.

why, because i dislike metallica? that makes me emo?

no but judging people after by their taste in music. it's basicly the same as judging people after their political view. it has very little to do with every day normal life :D

I think both music taste and political views are a fantastic clue how someone is like.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=W9S5-EB8dR8

METALLICAAAAA ...... YEAH!

no, a band must not change their style nor must they improve (goal is that you and listeners enjoy it) and god forbid if they repeat what they did before.
Also they may not earn any money through their job.
/sarcasm

Not much worse than hypocritical music "fans"

im just saying that maybe in flames SHOULD try a new genre if all they are just going to do is slowly trash the genre they play into a complete joke.

of course an artist wants fans but if they start making music only to add to their fanbase it becomes bad in general. thats my beef with in flames

elitist + clueless. gtfo

elitist only in the same sense that someone can look at 'soulja boy' or some other shit "hip hop" artist and call them shit for mocking the true pioneers and real talent of hip hop

you are becoming annoying

why would you care what others think? since when is music about apperance.

just havin a chat about it.

nevermind link he has been in a mental institute as a child (true story) and he has to win arguments to make himself feel better.

nevermind link he has been in a mental institute as a child (true story). and he has to try to win arguments to make himself feel better. cheers.

genres are something critics and fans put up in an attempt to categorize a band.
A band just makes their music - only if they don't do that and try to fit in some mad-up genre they really fail.

im all for expanding outside of a label or genre as letting more influences in on music is a big plus. taking good music and making it simpler to widen appeal is still a bad thing

green day is good at what they do. dookie is a great album, the newer stuff isn't for me but it's not bad music.

who the FUCK cares about metal anyway? the ones listen to it is usually big, white, ugly and sweaty.

I'd rather listen to the music I find good, such as this.

if i fit the stereotype for all the genres of music i listen to i would be one fucked up human being

you're fucked up anyway, so why bother?

got nuttin' on this:

randomly generated computermusic weeeeee

bunch of dark+longhaired geeks with chin beard listening to wannabe-tough guys screaming dull lyrics weeeee

bunch of fake tanned rollercoaster-haired fags with plucked eyebrows bouncing to a computer administrator repeating the same 3 sec loop with effective lyriccleft consisting of a single word
woooo

I'd reply with another rant at metal fans but I already covered all features of that subculture ^_^


egd

When it comes to disco fans, you don't even really need to come up with insultive words because the whole community is implisitly a permanent fountain of unintentional humor :(

lol, stop trying so hard :p

Atleast try :(

Devy is the man

i agree

why do i recognise that song?

quite a well-known track

2 mainstream

you'll find minimal eventually

you all do

xDD

links or gtfo :P

i'd love to see that sometime. hook me up next time you're going :)

sorry for the poor responses of my fellow attention wanting internet heros. they have all recognized it's easier for them to be gay if they refrain from listening to metal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_c60Sp7Gtc

> *

I've seen Tool literally more times than I can remember. started on the Aenima tour (I'm only 27) but they were doing a lot of songs from Opiate and Undertow at that time, so i don't really feel like I missed much, especially since they'd do the Merkaba style into for Sober.

I don't think of them as metal though. When i think metal (and I will get flamed for this) I think of the kind of metal I listen to.

For Southern Metal it's Acid Bath all the way. All of Dax Riggs' projects have been enjoyable imho.

Grindcore would be Meshuggah.

rock metal would be Mastodon.

I also laugh at a lot of Metalocalypse's stuff. That's a funny show.

tool is a rock band and i never understood why people consider them metal, they aren't even close to it. good band though.

meshuggah is pretty fucking overated but even me not liking them i would not stoop down to call them a grindcore band. i think even they would take offense to that (don't get me wrong i actually do like some grindcore every now and then)

mastodon has more hardcore influences than rock influences so im not sure what you meant about that

acid bath is cool and you probably like dax riggs' other bands because of the sludge influence. do you also like stoner or doom metal bands?

"do you also like stoner or doom metal bands? "

Honestly dunno. suggest some good ones and I'll check them out, but I couldn't tell you off hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_GgowniQWk
fastish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb0xkgE97b8
slowish

boris bestest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfuxJCD8Ks
real version of the first track, guess they had to water down for the american release :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrclNyck6HY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxlgM2R7szg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_QOmjP4VU

High on Fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-X-tZa_w

Sleep:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj9IAvv32wE

haven't checked those out yet, but for a good example of the little bit of metal that I do listen to, I've really enjoyed a few particular Opeth tracks. Especially Black Water Park title track and Demon of the Fall.

waste of money :[

what is this buckethead?

metal is stupid.

This&this > your music.

kthxbye

P.S.: what the old man above me said.

P.P.S.: Listen to Ben Harper

first vid: This video is not available in your country.
second vid: pretty cool intro didnt like the rest tho

and yes acoustic guitar is pretty awesome

try this

or search for "another morning stoner"

mash

diaf

kthx

stop being elitist plz.

When you stop being german!

uncalled for. :-(

totally forgot about motorpsycho btw.

No one cares.

Being an old metal fan, like walter, I couldnt possibly disagree more with what he says. Sure, to alot of people says In Flames have sold out, but they do the modern metal / metalcore genre alot better than most bands due to the fact that they are talented musicians. They ignited the spark for alot of bands that wouldnt have existed if it wasnt for In Flames, much like In Flames wouldnt exist if it wasnt for At The Gates and so on.

I've been in that phase where accepting different music than the one occupying your narrow minded head isnt an option and thats just sad to exclude so much good music that is available out there. Let people do what they want as long as they are happy and enjoy it. You dont have to like everything or even anything, just dont degrade people for being creative, you also in that same moment degrade the fans of which the music may have helped them get through hard times in their lives.

Metal is more in the past for me, mostly because of the scene-nazis represented in this thread. My music taste still include alot of black metal and ambient stuff, but i mostly tick to hardcore nowadays, and on that very same topic I will leave you with what that scene is all about: unity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHDjGapg6h4

see walter, that's how its done.

basically he just said that its offensive to call any music shit because all music has fans. idiot shit imo. never again will i speak out against 50 cent because hes a true artist and brings people through rough times. you think my listening is scene and narrow minded? im sitting here listening to a fucking japanese chick playing piano in a jazz fusion band for fucks sake! its easy to shoot down a strawman idiots!

at least he doesnt come off as a jerk.

i bet a guy like you is a blast at a party ;D

if i acted like i do on esreality in real life i would not be alive to be replying to this post

thats intresting. you're the first person admitting to be a jerk online. could you tell me this then, why act differently?

i find it easier to take out frustration online than on people irl. im working on venting this in other more healthy ways though

i'm impressed by your honesty.

good for you

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nice strawman by saying im narrow minded in my tastes. your argument also suggests that calling any music bad is childish because all music has fans. you fail man. honestly

i never said i was not open to other music. i listen to jazz fusion, post rock, techno, metal, classical. i am not one of those idiots that only listen to metal and claim all other music is shit. i never said that and never will

but you don't have respect for what other people listen to. that's whats bugging me mostly and you fail to realise what im saying to you.

alot of times i don't respect what other people listen to at all, even when i respect them as a person

actually I had expected a lot more from the concert. I had a really really good time, but it wasn't anything close to Rage against the machine or even Looptroop rockers much because of that most metal acts are pretty stiff on stage.
only song I missed was reroute to remain :(
Come clarity was epic with all the phones / cameras / lighters in the air.
The moshpit in Cloud Connected was fucking huuuuuuge.

man. my current playlist is really not very indicative of my actual tastes.
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playlist1km6.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=playlist2gm8.jpg

eww at using wmp as media player :(

The Shins \o/

I watched Slayer, Trivium and Mastodon in London last friday. Beat that.

I watched Oasis, System Of A Down, Rammstein and Audioslave on one day in '05.

best day ever in the history of all days.

tbone wins with about a million points in difference.

depends.

no

funny.

woo, gonna see em in the twin cities on the 12th =D

hf!