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ESWC Masters of Athens SEEDS & GROUPS (267 comments)

( Major News: Gaming Q3)

Posted by lolograde @ 11:26 CDT, 10 October 2008 - iMsg

Event: ESWC'09

ESWC guys have posted their seedings and groups for the Masters of Athens on their website.

Quake 3 Seeds

Quake 3 Groups

Press Release - Official Groups

Edited by dallow at 17:58 CDT, 10 October 2008 - 63619 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 11:38 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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xou

Let the groups whine begin!

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<< Comment #7 @ 12:02 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #1

Thanks for the help and for cleaning it up for me!

[ + ]'d!

<< Comment #197 @ 17:41 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #7

Edited by dallow at 00:58 CEST

=/

<< Comment #2 @ 11:42 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco

LOL SEEDS LOL

From my understanding, they put Quake 4 and Quake 3 as 'Quake' so for previous seeds, Av3k was top (since Quake 4).

But, how is Cooller high, but Rapha top (No offense to Rapha, but I'm just looking at experience here). And Av3k top seed? Shouldn't he be high?

I shouldn't even bother arguing this.

-_-

<< Comment #10 @ 12:09 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #2

avek not being high?

no you shouldn't be arguing this, shut up.

<< Comment #17 @ 12:34 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #2

According to placings at finals, I think Rapha is in better "shape" than Cooller.

Av3k is disgustingly good right now, just from his showing at GameGune and the games against Jibo are o.O. He had a bunch of very close games against Cypher at Masters. I would definitely give Av3k 2nd seed ez.

And considering the games are on CRTs, we'll see a lot of Cypher's and Av3k's aggressive styles come out next Friday. It's gonna be awesome!

<< Comment #35 @ 14:33 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #17

you mean it's back to all rush & shaftz =(

<< Comment #54 @ 15:11 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #35

There's no sound more sexy than the buzz of an LG. =)

<< Comment #100 @ 02:25 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #54

I see you havn't made a woman moan proparly yet. ;)

<< Comment #117 @ 04:40 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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nekon - Reply to #100

i see you haven't shafted an opponent properly yet ;P

<< Comment #121 @ 05:04 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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LoCK - Reply to #117

lol, touch�!

<< Comment #68 @ 16:48 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #2

Av3k high and not top seed?

His recent q3 record:
1st GameGune
3rd ESWC Masters (lost to Cypher)
-He was unable to participate in ESWC Finals due to visa problems (he was defending champion)

+Many TOP3 Q4 places.

<< Comment #203 @ 02:47 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #2

why are you even questioning this?
ESR is not a place for discussion and intelligence, it is the true haven for fanboys and trolls

<< Comment #3 @ 11:43 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Larvi

I think the seeds are good except maybe K1ller down to High and replace him with Jibo

Group predictions:
A: K1ller & Noctis
B: Rapha & Fox
C: Av3k & Jibo
D: Cypher & Cooller
yeah that was easy

Edited by Larvi at 11:45 CDT, 10 October 2008

<< Comment #4 @ 11:44 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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dadS - Reply to #3

aye lad

<< Comment #45 @ 14:46 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #3

try tox and fox

<< Comment #51 @ 15:01 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #45

yes, it depends on toxic's shape really, but I think his aim might really put rapha off.

<< Comment #55 @ 15:26 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #51

JIbo has better aim and is a hell of a lot more practical with it as is cypher

toxic aim is going to be hot no doubt but it's not going to be anything out of the norm as now the top majority of the players all have the same aiming abilities (to some extent).

<< Comment #61 @ 15:45 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #55

except he can shoot fireballs from his eyes, and lightning bolts from his arse.

<< Comment #62 @ 15:49 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #61

he aint a scot!

<< Comment #64 @ 15:57 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #62

They may take his life... but they will never take his freedoms!

Edited by lolograde at 20:29 CDT, 10 October 2008

<< Comment #65 @ 16:10 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #64

yes, they make!

<< Comment #91 @ 20:29 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #65

you're some kinda nazi for, what would be to a normal person, obvious what I'm trying to say?

<< Comment #114 @ 04:23 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #91

you ....

wat?

<< Comment #141 @ 09:23 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #114

I'm asking, what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

<< Comment #153 @ 10:12 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #141

European or African?

<< Comment #165 @ 11:13 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #153

err... i ... don't knoWOOOSH.

<< Comment #88 @ 20:10 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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skint - Reply to #64

his femidoms????

<< Comment #82 @ 18:27 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #55

tox will imo win athens

<< Comment #84 @ 18:52 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #82

based on what? seriously? lol.

<< Comment #132 @ 06:57 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #84

it's not based on anything it's a fact of life

Edited by Weird at 10:24 CDT, 11 October 2008

<< Comment #138 @ 08:35 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #132

live indeed

<< Comment #158 @ 10:25 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #138

k, I edited it thx ;)

<< Comment #101 @ 02:33 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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ix - Reply to #82

Hard to get that home in the plane.

<< Comment #119 @ 04:49 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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mindz - Reply to #82

yep ill second that!

<< Comment #180 @ 13:53 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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sinoXy - Reply to #55

Jibo better than toxic at aim? ROFL. k guy.

<< Comment #267 @ 13:44 CDT, 23 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #180

;)

<< Comment #5 @ 11:55 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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timmah

Seeds are just fine. Not like it will really affect the outcome of the groups if they seed 2 players wrong.

<< Comment #6 @ 11:59 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lethe

best possible seeds, good job.

<< Comment #11 @ 12:11 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #6

Cooller bias?

<< Comment #18 @ 12:36 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #11

what do you mean?

<< Comment #19 @ 12:43 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #18

Well, in other thread you listed Cooller as Top 3, then Cooller gets high seed. But I suppose it makes sense cause I wouldn't put him at medium seed anyhow. Nvm

<< Comment #26 @ 13:40 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #19

yeah, i think hell place top 3. i just said the groups are perfectly balanced.

<< Comment #28 @ 13:58 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #26

I agree, they're actually pretty good this time. It's kinda disappointing though, would have been awesome to see some Cooller v. Toxjq games.

<< Comment #38 @ 14:42 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #28

Indeed, they are eternal rivals!

<< Comment #46 @ 14:46 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #38

cooller has many rivals, he's an attitude whore :D

<< Comment #37 @ 14:37 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #19

cooller will hit back, he needs his revenge from the eswc finals (altho that maybe was a revenge as well from the americans from the ni3-case back in '01).

<< Comment #53 @ 15:06 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #37

cooller only has himself to blame at ESWC finals, hardly comparable to 2001.

<< Comment #75 @ 17:23 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #53

I'm sure zero4 did a 'HAAHAA' (c) Nelson
at cooller in his head

<< Comment #59 @ 15:33 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #37

ni3 is canadian.

<< Comment #72 @ 17:19 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #59

so you're saying a Canadian could beat cooller on his own?

RIDICULOUS!!!!

<< Comment #74 @ 17:20 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #59

I knew

<< Comment #232 @ 13:11 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #59

Does it matter? It was the Americans (or rather ZeRo4) who suffered a knock out when cooller lost to Ni3, right? Besides wasn't this in 2002?

<< Comment #8 @ 12:02 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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shlaeNg

All Greeks out after group, lol.

<< Comment #16 @ 12:34 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Co1nCo1n - Reply to #8

Like all french out after group stage @ the ESWC Master of Paris :x

<< Comment #76 @ 17:24 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #16

strenx was the bright light tho. bah why isn't he there instead of linkin =(

<< Comment #9 @ 12:04 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron

group b is going to be ouch if toxic can play the patience game

same with group d if spartie can perform like he has shown in some online games

I smell some mass whine about these groups but not much you can do, there's going to be a shitty one somewhere.

<< Comment #12 @ 12:19 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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semtex

go tox/k1llsen

<< Comment #13 @ 12:19 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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kAi^

cant wait to watch the ''medium'' seed rape : )

<< Comment #14 @ 12:25 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde '

Rapha =(

<< Comment #15 @ 12:25 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron

oh yeah id swap killsen/rapha for jibo but it makes little difference in the end

<< Comment #20 @ 12:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Khorney

They sure gave it their all to make sure max 1 swede will advance :(

<< Comment #21 @ 13:03 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #20

ahaha xD

<< Comment #30 @ 14:00 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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sch.

go go avek ! :D

<< Comment #22 @ 13:19 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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GreenBastard

with cypher winning this tourney being just a formality the big match everyone will want to see is toxic vs cooller, hope they both make it past groups and meet up at some stage :)

<< Comment #123 @ 05:19 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #22

ye :D

<< Comment #202 @ 01:52 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #22

"with cypher winning this tourney being just a formality"
u never know...

<< Comment #23 @ 13:25 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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_agu

tox fox and rapha same group...

<< Comment #24 @ 13:29 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun :

puppet seems a providential name

<< Comment #139 @ 08:43 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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PuPPeT - Reply to #24

<< Comment #143 @ 09:26 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #139

oops!
gl man :)

<< Comment #149 @ 09:56 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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TUMULT - Reply to #139

got demos from greek eswc qualificiation final?

<< Comment #170 @ 11:44 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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PuPPeT - Reply to #149

no quals my friend, sorry :)

<< Comment #25 @ 13:31 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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oneroomdisco

Group B.

Tox, Fox, Rapha.

I'll say Fox and Rapha advance. (A year and a half away from competitive Quake won't make you beat Fox)

<< Comment #27 @ 13:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #25

Sometimes time off is a good thing to clear away bad habits... at least, I think so. Besides, I've heard Toxjq been playing lots of QL and wiping the floors with people so his aim/movement shouldn't be rusty.

EDIT: Although, I still agree with you. Probably will be Rapha and Fox who advance.

I can imagine what the GTV spam is gonna be like for Toxjq games, though... "Toxjq is nothink on lan", "Considering it's on good monitors.", etc.

Also, I think I remember Toxjq saying he thought he was better at Q3 duels than Q4 duels.

Edited by lolograde at 13:55 CDT, 10 October 2008

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #27

He said he thought Q3 duels were simpler, or 'easier' then Q4 ones.

<< Comment #99 @ 01:52 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #98

If we lose the competition was easy and simple but we didn't try hard. If we win, we always win the best.

<< Comment #142 @ 09:25 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #27

toxjq is strong on dm6 and pretty good on ztn, but he used to loose on t4, now with new system of dropping maps (new for him) he might have much better chances
and he was beating recently fox at quakecon 2007 on dm6, so he's not really out of shape

<< Comment #167 @ 11:28 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #142

Quakecon 2007.... recently ?

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #167

not recently if u calculate in time
but if u look for competitions and for tox no playing q3 for a few years it is pretty recently
stop trolling :P

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 12:55 CDT, 11 October 2008

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loveless - Reply to #173

i can't say tox will win, but i can say it's a safe expectation for him to do well
i hear he wasn't so good in Q3 duels, as he was mostly a TDM player
but im sure his duel skills have matured a great deal, so we shall see

<< Comment #208 @ 03:23 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #204

yeah, I am curious about it, too
in fact I am curious if he will even be there

<< Comment #29 @ 14:00 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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valvalis

Groups A and C are clear though L1nkin may take a map from Av3k\RazerJ. In B Fox and Tox will go 2 the next round. Just my opinion so dont flame me, Rapha is a cool guy and everything, but i think tox will advance xD
Group D will be interesting: Spartie can beat cooler as he showed it on GameGune. He even took a pro-nodm9 from him in group D and won 2:0, he although lost the 5-6 place match. But if they had played aero, who knows?
And if anyone then cooler is capable of beating cypher...
Im so looking forward to it xDDD

<< Comment #31 @ 14:07 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Derb_

what date do the games start????

<< Comment #33 @ 14:25 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #31

Week from today.

<< Comment #32 @ 14:21 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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juvenile delinquency

groups couldn't get any worse..

<< Comment #41 @ 14:45 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #32

one group with three solid players and in this case that's inevitable

it doesn't matter how these groups are done I can't see them being done any better apart from favoring someone like toxic and making sure he's in a near sure win group but then that means 1 player who is proven is going to be fucked over

<< Comment #93 @ 20:58 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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falcuma - Reply to #32

tell me how you make a 16 player tournament even with 6 or 7 (except "The one") potemtial winners ?

Edited by falcuma at 20:58 CDT, 10 October 2008

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #93

a group for each player, so 16 groups
if u beat yourself u advance further

<< Comment #175 @ 13:01 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #145

If beating yourself here has the meaning of wacking off, where can I get an invite?

<< Comment #177 @ 13:25 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #175

too late now, invites are off
just prepare the cum and wait for GTV fest, one week later

<< Comment #182 @ 14:38 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #177

Isn't it dangerous to let cum build up like that? I usually 'tap some' every 30 minutes or so.

<< Comment #183 @ 14:42 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #182

well try then and keep ur pants up just for a few hours before the show begins
I can't promise u my daughter, but she must keepin' an eye on you, for sure (now that you revealed wonderfull news to the people)

<< Comment #205 @ 02:53 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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loveless - Reply to #182

zip ties, my friend
works wonders for me, i cum buckets over GTV games
have to say im savin it for jibo though

<< Comment #122 @ 05:16 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #32

of course they could be worse.

Could have put the 4 greeks in one group and Cypher, Avek, Rapha and jibo in another group.

<< Comment #34 @ 14:27 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen

Groups looks ok overall, one group was bound to have 3 good players.

now is the question, who will be knocked out early in B :)
fox or rapha almost for sure though.

A
1: Killsen
2: Noctis

B
1: Toxic
2: fox

C
1: Avek
2: Jibo

D
1: Cypher
2: Cooller

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lolograde ' - Reply to #34

Controversial group B, there. You think Toxjq going to be in good shape for this tournament?

<< Comment #56 @ 15:30 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #52

Yea he has supposedly been playing QL like a mad man, and I the past he has never been second to anyone with his aim or dodging skills.

<< Comment #71 @ 17:15 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Anonymous (ip68-9-226-43.ri.ri.cox.net) - Reply to #56

check stats. he hasn't logged in for a month.

<< Comment #80 @ 18:02 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #71

doubt he has one account only and it makes sense not to be playing QL at the moment

<< Comment #116 @ 04:27 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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HamstaHue - Reply to #71

maybe practicing q3?

<< Comment #86 @ 19:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Bluder - Reply to #52

probably not, he's just hyped as always.
Id say Rapha is pretty sure to get to the playoff.

<< Comment #36 @ 14:34 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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ashr

cooller please practice :<

even cypher said cooller could still easily be number 1 if he put some effort into it.

<< Comment #83 @ 18:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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AHXNXA - Reply to #36

cooller sucks

<< Comment #95 @ 21:13 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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ashr - Reply to #83

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Lethe - Reply to #36

when did he say that?

<< Comment #124 @ 05:21 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #110

1v1 interview

<< Comment #39 @ 14:43 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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vedic

here's hoping for another fox ragequit.

<< Comment #43 @ 14:45 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #39

no no

callvote *******************************

censored, only those of Aaron school can learn the ways of true rage (dead babies no included)

Edited by Aaron at 14:53 CDT, 10 October 2008

<< Comment #49 @ 14:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #43

haha

<< Comment #40 @ 14:44 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Dird

jibo > rapha for top seed. besides that all is good.

c = group of death. keep an eye out for Virtuoso, shame hes in such a group though :< if he was in D then i would have gone 1st: cypher 2nd: virt

<< Comment #48 @ 14:50 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #40

oh cool, he's any good then?

<< Comment #50 @ 14:52 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #40

who the flying fuck is virtuoso?

<< Comment #70 @ 17:15 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #50

#1 .gr

<< Comment #105 @ 03:14 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #70

k but, how do you know anything about him? greek quake scene? wtf?

<< Comment #136 @ 07:45 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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tourist - Reply to #105

knowing he follows korean soaps, knowing greek q3 scene doesn't seem that exotic.

<< Comment #191 @ 16:12 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #105

dude its virtuoso, look out for some close games providing he doesnt panic. if rapha/tox are let downs this tournie then uh oh :O

<< Comment #192 @ 16:17 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #191

where did you exactly seen...this...virtuoso?

:D

or is it an esr failed joke =/

<< Comment #194 @ 16:50 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #192

he had that famous quake 3 frag movie named in honour of him, enough said

<< Comment #230 @ 10:33 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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PuPPeT - Reply to #194

???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDz0deTBUQM

^^ its called Virtuosity and it has nothing to do with virtuoso :)

<< Comment #235 @ 15:45 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Dird - Reply to #230

???

http://www.pastebin.ca/1225361

^^

<< Comment #240 @ 04:15 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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PuPPeT - Reply to #235

4+1 posts for a bad joke?

j/k ;p

HF on GTV :-)

<< Comment #57 @ 15:32 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #40

wat

<< Comment #42 @ 14:45 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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tom

so is this q3 or ql? didnt toxic say he was only going to play if it was ql?

<< Comment #44 @ 14:46 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #42

<< Comment #58 @ 15:33 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #42

Think he said he would only play on crt monitors.

<< Comment #47 @ 14:49 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius

gl rapha

<< Comment #60 @ 15:36 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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retire

toxjq will win this event.

seeding will not affect The Machine�

<< Comment #63 @ 15:52 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #60

I agree <3

<< Comment #66 @ 16:27 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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stelamfanboy

bb rapha

<< Comment #67 @ 16:44 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aquashark '

i expect some upsets. you have been warned!

<< Comment #77 @ 17:26 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #67

we or the players?

<< Comment #69 @ 16:49 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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mefajpE^

Good seedings and groups, but imo:

Jibo > Rapha, K1llsen

He should be top seeded.

Edited by mefajpE^ at 16:49 CDT, 10 October 2008

<< Comment #78 @ 17:29 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #69

agreed

<< Comment #87 @ 19:53 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #69

imo killsen is way better than jibo, the main difference though is that jibo hardly ever makes a mistake because of his playstyle whereas killsen takes a lot of risks and plays so fast that he sometime fucks up. But that's just like cooller th, if you remember his ztn aganst zero4 which he almost stupidly lost...

<< Comment #73 @ 17:19 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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m4z

thats why k1llsen won both "big" matches in tourneys where he met jibo , yeah.

<< Comment #79 @ 17:58 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #73

on tft monitors

let's see if he can do the same again

<< Comment #94 @ 20:59 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #79

lol *Care* tft monitors!

<< Comment #104 @ 03:08 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #79

k1llsens rail will be the hell. and his rockets will also do some extra-damage in comparison to the tft-stuff. besides that, do you really think that a crt-monitor would affect the outcome in such a big way? k1llsens strengths are a great maplock, annoying rockets/rails, nice tactics and really strong nerves. he never fucks up, and plays to the end. (game against griffin doesnt count, cause he knew that he would win the other map/maps)

and to the groups, i'd expect to see rapha having better chances to advance, than fox/toxic. he's a really all-rounded player and has best possibilitys to safe a mapwin on hub and dm9. on the other maps hes also on a level where it will be a 50/50 chance who wins.

to spartie ... well he had a big motivation-blocker since he didnt got invited directly and stopped practicing. but since a few days he kept on playing and will hopefully be in shape till the tourney. he's definately a player, that can show us some big upsets! (remeber the cooller interview "i couldnt feel my mouse in the early games")

and now i'm waiting for next weekend to have sone awesome gtv-nights! :D

<< Comment #108 @ 03:53 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #104

"nice tactics and really strong nerves. he never fucks up, and plays to the end"

I thought these are his weaknesses. The game that he fucked up against fox (in CPL Italy I think) went down to the history as one of the biggest fuck ups in Q3. Personally, I have never seen anyone play that stupid, like he did in that game. Have seen him done it other times as well. I feel like when he is nervous (and he definitely is) his IQ drops at least a good 20 points.

<< Comment #125 @ 05:31 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #108

I agree, "Headless chicken" comes to mind.

<< Comment #146 @ 09:38 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #108

"when he is nervous (and he definitely is) his IQ drops at least a good 20 points."
it's called dass deutsche ohne bier schlossen strategie

<< Comment #155 @ 10:15 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #146

I'm not sure, is what you are writing there supposed to be German?

<< Comment #168 @ 11:30 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #146

It translates into:

that Germans without beer closed strategy

But I still don't know what he means :(

<< Comment #172 @ 12:31 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #168

it means germans are always low thinkers under pressure -a rumor I have read in some book about WWII
w/o beer I mean maybe if they are drunk they go better
did not want to sound too phylosophical anyway, more fooling around :P

<< Comment #179 @ 13:42 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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timmah - Reply to #172

stop trolling!

<< Comment #185 @ 14:46 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #179

troll is just a rumor, in this case
and stop saying "stop trolling", makes the statement repeat itself and everyone is gonna be really sad

<< Comment #190 @ 15:30 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #185

xD lol

<< Comment #113 @ 04:16 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #104

"k1llsens strengths are a great maplock"

which always gets fucked when he faces a guy with 50% lg ;)

<< Comment #81 @ 18:02 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Lovey

rofl, av3k top seed. shut up

<< Comment #85 @ 18:55 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #81

wannabe trolls ftl

<< Comment #97 @ 21:31 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Anonymous (athedsl-366973.home.otenet.gr)

Im virtu. Havent played q3 for over a year so this will be interesting........

<< Comment #133 @ 07:03 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Sciere - Reply to #97

Good to see Dird is right on the mark as usual.

<< Comment #96 @ 21:31 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Anonymous (217.217.87.177.dyn.user.ono.com)

GO TOXIC!

<< Comment #89 @ 20:14 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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skint

all i say is FUCK YOU TOXIC

<< Comment #90 @ 20:22 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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Alchemist03

wanna see cooller - rapha on nodm9
and cypher toxic - bugaga

<< Comment #92 @ 20:56 CDT, 10 October 2008 >>

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vkl

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

good bye toxic.........see you in ql......prick!

<< Comment #102 @ 02:39 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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koji

sweet 6 more days from now :D

<< Comment #103 @ 02:58 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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mov9k

Rapha in top seeds and Jibo in high - some kind of joke?

<< Comment #106 @ 03:47 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #103

you are the joke

rapha is a class player, will be very hard to beat fox/tox but if he does, he should make top3

<< Comment #206 @ 03:01 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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mov9k - Reply to #106

And your nationality is...

Let mi guess - .us?

<< Comment #212 @ 04:01 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #206

epic fail ;D

<< Comment #214 @ 05:51 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #206

faillll!!!

<< Comment #215 @ 06:15 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #206

ahhahahaha

No.

Edited by Terifire at 06:16 CDT, 12 October 2008

<< Comment #229 @ 10:16 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #206

I'm US, what's up?

<< Comment #237 @ 01:21 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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squishy - Reply to #229

isnt it "WAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUP!" ?

<< Comment #241 @ 06:41 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #237

wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz up?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #242 @ 08:28 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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squishy - Reply to #241

There you go! Now I believe you being from the US ;)

<< Comment #243 @ 08:46 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #242

<< Comment #107 @ 03:51 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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GreenBastard

hope to see these map fixtures:

cooller-tox dm6
rapha-noctis hub
cypher-cooller - dm13
cypher-fox t4
cypher-avek ztn
cypher-jibo dm6

Edited by GreenBastard at 03:54 CDT, 11 October 2008

<< Comment #109 @ 03:57 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #107

good picks!

<< Comment #112 @ 04:02 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #107

cooller > tox dm6
rapha < noctis hub
cypher < cooller - dm13
cypher > fox t4
cypher > avek ztn
cypher > jibo dm6

=)

<< Comment #120 @ 05:03 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #112

Im not so sure about cooller>tox dm6
I remember one game where tox was like 20 frags up and it ended 20:9 or smthing.

<< Comment #127 @ 06:28 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #120

one game, yes

<< Comment #128 @ 06:28 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Alchemist03 - Reply to #120

man how many demos you did see? - 3 or 4

<< Comment #134 @ 07:03 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #128

Hah, i got 1200 demos right now xD
The fact is tox is awesome on dm6 and had much more practice than cooler these days

<< Comment #137 @ 07:57 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Slava - Reply to #134

>>had much more practice than cooler these days

I hope you're wrong

<< Comment #140 @ 09:13 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #137

i *know* he's wrong

<< Comment #156 @ 10:21 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #140

I guess that might also depend on if you count dm6 in ql as training

<< Comment #224 @ 08:46 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Slava - Reply to #140

yeah! Jibo told me: "Singov looking good" (c) Jibo

<< Comment #225 @ 09:00 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #224

gay?

<< Comment #231 @ 10:38 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Slava - Reply to #225

))) He means Coollers form!

.... or not :D

<< Comment #200 @ 21:28 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Alchemist03 - Reply to #134

my kung fu better then your... (about demos)

<< Comment #201 @ 23:24 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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harleyQUINN - Reply to #112

rapha recently hasnt lost hub to anyone?
=o

<< Comment #210 @ 03:55 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #201

check again

<< Comment #234 @ 15:37 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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harleyQUINN - Reply to #210

Top Players HUB (82 times played)

1. rapha 7/7

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1589198

<< Comment #236 @ 16:29 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #234

he hasnt played any of the top european hub players yet or has he?

<< Comment #238 @ 01:42 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #234

rapha lost hub 20+ to someone at masters as far as i remember

<< Comment #239 @ 02:09 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #238

<< Comment #246 @ 05:22 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #239

matrox vs rapha 44:15 @hub3aeroq3 groupstage so..... YES.

<< Comment #247 @ 05:24 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #246

how about you watch the demo ;)

<< Comment #248 @ 05:28 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #247

that would change what exactly?

<< Comment #250 @ 06:40 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #248

some scores on eswc site are wrong

Edited by cYmoZz at 06:40 CDT, 14 October 2008

<< Comment #253 @ 11:19 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #250

dunno

<< Comment #254 @ 11:26 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #253

if you still havent watched it, the scores are the other way around, rapha destroyed matr0x.

<< Comment #255 @ 11:27 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #254

he won 3:0 in maps?

<< Comment #256 @ 11:30 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #255

he lost 2-1 to him.
mat won nodm9 and pt4

<< Comment #245 @ 19:46 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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harleyQUINN - Reply to #238

who?
...

<< Comment #209 @ 03:26 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #112

"cypher > fox t4"
not if fox is at his best, imo

<< Comment #211 @ 03:56 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #209

lol, if cypher is at his best, than fox's best doesnt make a difference

<< Comment #111 @ 04:01 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe

wanna see cooller cypher ztn.
wanna see cooller cypher dm6.
wanna see cooller cypher nodm9.

in that particular order.

*want*

<< Comment #147 @ 09:40 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #111

wanna see cooller-cypher-t4, period

<< Comment #151 @ 10:03 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #147

wtf their worst maps?

<< Comment #174 @ 12:56 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #151

I like t4, that's why

<< Comment #184 @ 14:46 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #174

oooh yeah, youre the #2 ZeRo4 fan.

<< Comment #115 @ 04:26 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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sabre0001

Should be a great tourney! Really looking forward to it. My predictions:

A
1: Killsen
2: Noctis

B
1/2: Toxic
1/2: rapha

C
1: Avek
2: Jibo

D
1: Cypher
2: Cooller

<< Comment #118 @ 04:41 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Alchemist03

nono - killsen imho not a pretendent on win... on eswc he did lose to fox in group1 and in second group he was with chanse and czm... and stupid match vs jibo in semifinal...
rapha imho now can to win whole champ - most intellegent player now and avek have good chances...

my predictions - top 3 cypher avek rapha

<< Comment #221 @ 08:09 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Gladius - Reply to #118

ok guys you heard the oracle

<< Comment #126 @ 06:26 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Slava

"Jibo dont need a MH! To beat polish gays!" (c) CPMA = LG only

I already see "serious/Av3k was shafted by <RazerJ>"
go go jibey!

Edited by Sch.Q at 06:35 CDT, 11 October 2008

<< Comment #129 @ 06:34 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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xou - Reply to #126

Hi Korea

<< Comment #130 @ 06:39 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Slava - Reply to #129

haha)) hello

<< Comment #148 @ 09:54 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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TUMULT - Reply to #126

still raged by blackman&draco beating your folks in starcraft?:)))

<< Comment #188 @ 15:02 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #148

china is kinda not korea =(

<< Comment #196 @ 16:55 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #188

still they speak same about language: sheee-meee-suckeeee

<< Comment #223 @ 08:35 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Slava - Reply to #148

2 freak!?

yep, just a lil' bit :D

2 ScarletJohansonsFather

nooo, we speak like this: "Anton i Zhibo bogi vashu mat' ! Vseh poreshayut v gavno!" :D

Edited by Sch.Q at 08:39 CDT, 12 October 2008

<< Comment #228 @ 09:42 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Trick Troll - Reply to #223

:DD

<< Comment #131 @ 06:43 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Terifire

my predictions:

Group A
K1llsen
Noctis

Group B
Fox
Toxic

Group C
Av3k
RazerJ

Group D
Cyphller
(Cooller and Cypher will defy physics and fuse into a superplayer being! also sound dangerously close to stiffler.)

10%

<< Comment #144 @ 09:29 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #131

CoCyphku?

<< Comment #152 @ 10:06 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #131

Nocsen, Foxic, RAv3kJ, Cyphller?

<< Comment #157 @ 10:22 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #131

Coopher ftw. :P

<< Comment #216 @ 06:16 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #157

Doesn't sound even like an std, whereas cyphller kind of sounds like syfilis.

Edited by Terifire at 06:17 CDT, 12 October 2008

<< Comment #222 @ 08:18 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #216

only if stds are on your mind 24/7

<< Comment #226 @ 09:31 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #222

more like on your cock 24/7

<< Comment #227 @ 09:36 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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becks - Reply to #226

the syphillis would be the least I had to worry about

<< Comment #163 @ 11:09 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #131

LOL Cyphller made my day :D

<< Comment #207 @ 03:20 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #163

then time to make *his day too, isn't it?

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 03:21 CDT, 12 October 2008

<< Comment #135 @ 07:18 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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voodoochopstiks

Go Fox!!!

GL all, looking forward to GTV mania :D

<< Comment #150 @ 09:56 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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�ke Vader

noctis will take it all. The other players better leave w.o. in games against him if they don't want to ride the big one.

<< Comment #161 @ 10:39 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Anonymous (lan31-9-88-177-158-209.fbx.proxad.net)

Why noctis still invited to such tournaments?

All previous ones was epic fails... He showed many time that he doesnt have the skill

<< Comment #162 @ 11:04 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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[mash] - Reply to #161

so uhh ... i don't think you've seen him play once.

<< Comment #164 @ 11:10 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #161

troll, obviously.

<< Comment #166 @ 11:15 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #161

obvious troll is ... obvious.

<< Comment #176 @ 13:06 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #161

yeah its his last chance! :))

<< Comment #154 @ 10:13 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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vkl

was just talking to k1llsen. he said his group will be easy.

and he said rapha and av3k are in germany bootcamping. they invited him too, but he has no time, because of the family ^^ so he just started training today

<< Comment #159 @ 10:35 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #154

nice defending

not

<< Comment #160 @ 10:37 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #159

just stating facts....moron

<< Comment #169 @ 11:34 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #160

why rage, stupid rager.

<< Comment #171 @ 12:21 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #169

why not..stupid nobody

<< Comment #178 @ 13:31 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #171

pardon me for asking a question mr important celebrity person

<< Comment #181 @ 14:02 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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sinoXy

Quakelive info shows toxic hasn't played QL in a month, so I guess he is actually playing q3 cpma.. I really hope he destroys some bitches.

<< Comment #187 @ 14:57 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #181

i hope he fears the new pizza box.

<< Comment #195 @ 16:53 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #187

<< Comment #186 @ 14:52 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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baron Railgun :

A: K1llsen, Noctis

B: Rapha, Toxic (we still love u, fox :)

C: Av3k, RazerJ

D: Cypher, Spartie (for a change :P)

<< Comment #189 @ 15:11 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Hanzo

Group A : Killsen, Noctis
Group B : Toxjq, Fox
Group C : Av3k , Jibo
Group D : Cypher, Cooller

It will be nice to see :

Toxjq vs Cypher
Toxjq vs Cooller
Toxjq vs Av3k

Cooller vs Cypher
Cooller vs Av3k
Cooller vs Toxjq

Cypher vs Toxjq
Cypher vs Cooller ( same group :D:D)
Cypher vs Av3k

<< Comment #193 @ 16:34 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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bsk

GROUP B FOR DEATH... erm

<< Comment #198 @ 18:57 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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Lamur

Who these greek-players?
Somebody knows them?
How they are strong?
Can be there will be surprises? )

<< Comment #217 @ 06:17 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #198

Cat the green of automated mustard is obvious.

<< Comment #199 @ 20:31 CDT, 11 October 2008 >>

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phz

Group A
Austria Noctis
Germany K1llsen

Group B
Sweden Toxic
Sweden Fox

Group C
ChinaRussia RazerJ
Poland Av3k

Group D
Belarus Cypher
Russia Cooller

Considering it's on good monitors... Shaft wins each group :D

<< Comment #218 @ 06:18 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #199

You... didn't forget poland:O

<< Comment #219 @ 06:29 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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phz - Reply to #218

edit:

Group C
ChinaRussia RazerJ
Some random pole

<< Comment #213 @ 05:19 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Jubei

Should not have Tox Fox and Rapha in same group, losing a good player when group A has Noctis, Matr0x and Puppet? Exchange any of those with Tox so that we arent losing one of the potential winners.

<< Comment #220 @ 06:50 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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Cypher was dominating the last q3 tourneys (in which Toxjq didnt take place).... I would like to know what will happen when Cypher will meet Toxjq again :D
Cypher mentioned he knows what to do to win but did he thought of Toxjq?
who will be the machine?

btw I hope fox will do it

Edited by crazyONe at 06:53 CDT, 12 October 2008

<< Comment #233 @ 13:19 CDT, 12 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #220

i like fox... but i don`t think that he`ll do it.....he always loses important matches...and there are too many strong player imo

<< Comment #244 @ 15:30 CDT, 13 October 2008 >>

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Anonymous (bas7-london14-1176007906.dsl.bell.ca)

fox is a choke artist.
group b = toxic and rapha advance

<< Comment #249 @ 06:35 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #244

But I think he has the history of being the one making it to top3 most times ever :P?

Then choking.

<< Comment #251 @ 10:52 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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riske_of_h8 - Reply to #249

Sadly this is very true :(

<< Comment #252 @ 10:57 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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riske_of_h8

I'm actually quite amazed at all the people thinking tox will make it past the group stage (though I'd be the first one to say it would be awesome if he won the whole thing.)

As far as predictions go (have in mind that I've never even once heard of any of the Greek players):

Group A
K1llsen
Noctis
Matrox might steal a spot if either of the first two mess up.

Group B
Rapha
Fox
But please God make tox prove me wrong for awesomeness

Group C
Av3k
RazerJ
Linkin might have a shot if he decides to be Russian this event

Group D
Cypher
Cooller
Spartie has beaten Cooller before, but Cooller is bestest player ever.

<< Comment #257 @ 15:35 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #252

i agree. i don`t really see tox advancing. he�s a great player, but not really a prooven q3 dueler and had a looong break. but he might cause an upset in this group

Edited by vkl at 15:37 CDT, 14 October 2008

<< Comment #258 @ 18:41 CDT, 14 October 2008 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #257

He is a good enough dueler to have taken hub and dm6 from cooller last time he won eswc in 2005 :/

<< Comment #259 @ 06:30 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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riske_of_h8 - Reply to #258

While this is true, the question is for tox and Cooller both how well they'll perform today. The game has changed and everyone is a tad more skilled than back in '05. I really hope tox wins it all though.

<< Comment #261 @ 08:28 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #259

Ya because he hasn't won enough tourneys. Let someone else win! GO RAPHA...or..GO NOCTIS

<< Comment #264 @ 10:34 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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riske_of_h8 - Reply to #261

I would love to see rapha win as well, his style really appeals to me.

<< Comment #262 @ 09:03 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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vkl - Reply to #258

sorry for not taking the toxic fan seat...as i said...he can perform well, but there will be so many very good players with the potential to win!

<< Comment #260 @ 07:29 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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stelamfanboy - Reply to #252

bestest!! EVER 4EVER
coolla! dont disappoint me my bitch

<< Comment #263 @ 09:23 CDT, 15 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #260

You're setting yourself up for a letdown, man...

EDIT: I don't think Cooller cares anymore about winning, imo... he's proven himself time and time again. Now he's just the old, grizzled warrior of the past and more just about showing up and being there for his sponsors.

Unless Cooller is like Michael Jordan and can't stop himself from taking the challenge of getting back into top form, I doubt we'll see any top finishes from him.

Edited by lolograde at 09:31 CDT, 15 October 2008

<< Comment #265 @ 07:40 CDT, 16 October 2008 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #263

Personally I believe cooller plays as much as he always did before a tourney. He ALWAYS claimed to barely practice and prepare, even when he won. If you aren't prepared and you lose...well there's your excuse. If you win...you are that much better then everyone else. It's a great excuse for cooller to constantly use. I think he's simply past his prime, and no longer a top player at the game. Look at the seeds. Cypher/Av3k/Rapha vs Fox/Cooller/jibo...there's quite a big age difference. It's just kinda funny how the young guys are stepping up, while the old guys are stepping down. Don't get me wrong, the old guys are still awesome..but they used to be better. Don't really care for cooller, never have, when he was younger playing in tourneys he was a cocky sob with some lame excuse all the time.

<< Comment #266 @ 09:23 CDT, 16 October 2008 >>

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lolograde ' - Reply to #265

Well said and insightful post. [ + ] for you, goodsir!

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