Just use Q3 only. Other than that is fucking retarded (specially Q4 ffs).

qw > q3.

q3 is noobified and slow.

CPM > QW
qw is outdated

fuck cpm's balanced weapons.

More people play qw so suck it down.

proof? i don't know a single person that still plays qw.




since 1998...

qw is more popular than cpm in au and eu and probably na as well.

hi, i type in absolutes without any source to back up my claims.

and no it isn't.

i think it is though

http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ircfb6.jpg

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uhh YEA... GG IRC stats? christ. i can't even make it out but if it is, it's just a testament to the idea that people on this site don't even play quake, just troll around about it here.

btw i don't know for sure but whenever i see CPMA NA servers most of the time the gametype in ase is not cpm, and if there is a cpm game going on it's usually one or 2 servers with 2 ppl in em. I doubt it's like that for qw...

yeah because showing the stats of pickup channels is meaningless right? i mean who cares that irc is the main method to organize duels, pickups, or even tournaments.

at least what i posted has some type of substance rather then "when i look for games blah, blah, blah". my experiance with qw is actually identical to what you're claiming for usa cpm. i NEVER see 1v1 games going on, in fact the only gametype i ever saw people playing was clan arena.

i thought the same thing about cpm when i just recently reinstalled the game, but surprisingly there are even more pickups and games then before i had uninstalled.

NA QWers don't use IRC that much. I'm not saying that QW is more popular than CPM in NA, but the IRC stats mean shit :P

QW is easily more popular than CPM in EU and AU though.

If you really want to find a game in QW, refresh ASE later at night (around midnight EDT) and you'll definitely see some 2on2s (one with noobs most likely).

How about crawling out of your fat american ass and stop living in ignorance?

http://www.eql.nu
http://www.quakeworld.nu
#quakeworld

More people play Hearts, so what?

You turned Hoony's idea into shit.

well done.

Go fuck yourself cunt.

Truth hurts.

Just sick of dipshits like you.

I prefer qw, no need for insults.

stfu tard.

Bullshit.
Moron.

so much love here.

lol @ cpm having balanced weapons

btw balanced weapons = key to the evolution of dm

Strong weapons and armors are a gameplay decision rather than something bad. What i mean was that minor annoying and outdated details in QW are set in stone and not improved.

QW is an ancient indestructible monster. It crushes anything you want to compare it with, and it makes it look gay, at the same time.

Thats right

q2 only tour in AGP!

Makes sense for Quake 4 and UT3 to be used.

The games are DECENT, sure, not as good as Quake 3 or UT2k4 (OMG FLAME ME) but, you need SOMETHING there that looks good graphically. With those two games, sponsors would definitely have more of an incline to sponsor them, compared to them using ONLY old games that my 5500 could run.

no [+] for you.

the guy in that pic looks hella retarded.

you just typed "hella"... retard.

dude lets ut2k4 1v1 tonight on some US server

Not true.
Sponsors mostly care about the only thing: how many people will see their ad. Thats why games like starcraft and counter strike are still alive and well.
There is no reason to look after great graphics if the community is big enough to gain some profit of it.

Well, that is true, but maybe they chose those games as a safeguard, a 'just in case' idea.

Bah Quake 4 looks like shit to me :P

Quake 4 is only really held back by its netcode. I still think its 1v1 mode is superior to Q3's in a few ways. Q3 is a solid game, don't get me wrong, but I just find the pace and excitement in Q4 to exceed Q3's. I also consider Q4 1.3 to be perfect for duel -- just a shame that id had to fuck up the gameplay with 1.4.x =X

q4 > q3

good luck with that.........

i keep looking at the top two news items with pictures of streetrunner

:D :| :D :| :D :|

hahah same

Sounds extremely good. I'm curious to see if he can make the promises come true.

ah, the players have to play all the games, way2fail :/

edit: this is why gaming sucks, so much hypocrisy in this interview it makes me cry. "we will make it simple, unlike other organizations" and then he's saying about having players from completely different 1v1 dm games play against each other in their different games, a ranking system, a points ladder, blahblah. FAIL.

No.

look at me i have 3 golfballs in my mouth and you can't even tell.

wat

Sorry, although I really wished, I don't think this will be successful. In two words: too complicated. Four different games, major/minor events, elitist/amateur(?) series, a point system that should connect them all, etc etc - Streetrunner, PLEASE DON'T!
Streetrunner, you mentioned it in the first part of the interview, I dont know why you don't stick to it: 1v1 gaming needs consistency. Consistency is not playing another game every 1/4 year and adding new games to the list on their release. Only very, very few players will play all four games, fans will be uninterested, because at every event there are other faces competing. What you need is smth like the epic battle between Voo and Fatality.

Instead, choose ONE game and try to focus on what other events are really lacking: organise your events well (coverage, schedule?) and make sure that prize money payout and events are guaranteed. This could be like the PK worldtour, only better and more successful, when you really do what you say (focus on players etc)

I agree, very few people will play ALL the games, but think of it this way. The way he's doing it, it will be like...

People Playing All Games: 12
People Playing UT3: 40
People Playing WSW: 40
People Playing Quake 3: 40
People Playing Quake 4: 40

Now, lets say he choses ONE game.

People Playing (Insert Game): 40

See what I mean?

He's running a league that would have 160 people (estimate) compared to your idea of a league, which would have 40 people.

Wrong. Every event features another game, so there will be 40 different players on each event.

not to mention using his vague 'math' statistics, if it was one game, it would be more like 60-70 ppl playing it rather than 40 (because the other players from other games would move to the one game)

I think the players playing all games is smaller than that.

Sure, most have tried all 4 games, but playing them all ... ya not happening maybe.. playing 2 out of the 4.

Maybe, but the spectators who follow the competition will be watching all of them, and that's what really counts. You may think now as spectator you'd only be interested in the game you play, but when a competitior from "your" game is competing in another game trying to make it into the points for not loosing #1 rank you'll be very interested in what's going on in that another game.

Not really I don't think... I would root for toxic.. or dahang or whatever because I want them to win, but if they lost in a game like warsow that they dont play... I would just get pissed because its not their game and they were put in gay circumstance.

On the contrary, if the event had 4 games total.. like it does.. and they were not connected, I would still be interested in who was winning in each game. Just because I think its entertaining.

I think you are ultimately right. One of the fundamentals of running a successful business is to do one thing and do it very well. Keeping things simple, consistent, and easy to follow makes it much easier for both players and fans.

The problem is that the corporate end of the gaming world depends on change to maintain their bottom line. Developers need to sell new games, manufacturers need to sell new cards, etc. New games and technologies come out all the time; and some are so sophisticated that they make any game more than a couple years old look completely outdated. Its hard to create and maintain a player base when something newer and fancier is constantly coming out.

I think StreetRunner is attempting to cater to both newer technologies and to the old-school crowd. Ultimately it may work, but I am not entirely convinced yet. But I certainly hope so :)

>:3

haha

Poland would be perfect place for AGP stop. We have inexpensive locals comparing to every west country. Players from Sweden, Germany, Czech are near, so it would be quite international and high level competition. Also there is waiting a barrel of vodka for you streetrunner.

poland world tour ftw.

And everyone gets their shit stolen. GG.

don't forget to bring your cell phones, digital cameras, ipods, new clothes and of course large amount of money!

hehe nice one

Nice to see a relaxed pole for a change :)

our new hero now!!

lets hope he brings some smooth nice q3 back omg

I hope this thing does well, and works out. I just sincerely hopes he does all the games in a close time span. It would suck balls if one game was one you.. another game the next... another game the next. I hope he does it like.. Warsow and Q3 one month UT3 and Q4 the next ... and the just loops it back and forth; and have players play their favorite games instead of making people play a Quad Damage type layout cuz thats gay as shit imho. I think if everybody has their favorite competitions then nobody has room to complain. If a Q3 player doesn't have to play Q4.. and Q4 player doesn't have to play warsow. Then everybody is happy.. am I right?

why not watch toxic winning it all :)

toxic win in wsw LOL

Yes, because you need to be the best in EVERY game to win it all. Or do you really think anyone from warsow beating the Q3/Q4 top players in quake or even UT?

Well, I meant that toxic would not win in WSW and probably UT. If the best Q3 players went...I wouldn't see him winning that either.

ah ok.
However, I believe the fanboy (n/o) above wanted to say that toxic would win the entire thing combined, not every single competition.
And I do agree that he would have a good chance.

wsw is easy onehanded win for the toxinator

hahaha nice one.. again!

lol

our benevolent overseer blesses us with a smile

:D

rofl!

lolled

lmao..wow

Good luck with this. I really do hope this works, and I'll probably play if its free.

For the european based communities, this might work. I have no idea. But NA...1v1?.....Ehhhh that could be tough. Q3 has players, but no servers. Q4 has servers, but no players. UT3 who the fuck knows or cares. And warsow I have no idea. Seems to have a dedicated following.

Just my opinion.

YAY FOR THE DEATHMATCH RAISIN

raisins aren't pink

well dr raisin, care to use the power of your mcdonalds badge and enlighten me as to precisely what colour they are?

they're sure as fuck not pink! :D

as i suspected, you don't know :>

unsurprisingly the number of gun toting wannabe pr0 gaymer raisins to be found in google images is somewhat limited :'''[

Select the Raisin part of him and change the hue and saturation and gamma until he's the proper color.

ARE YOU MAD FOR SOME RAISIN??

Ugh, nobody was interested in Quake4 except for the 8 players who had sponsorship to go to all the stops for wsvg. This in comparison to Quake3 which always had hundreds on gtv following every tournament. A bad decision to begin a new league.

Why don't can't they just use a proven game, would be better off using painkiller than quake4. Atleast painkiller had a large following.

q4 has a large following. unfortunately this tournament is just a cgs-wannabe with americanized bullshit such as "majors" and different "series".. shame really, could've been a successful wsvg

Nothing about this says CGS to me. Not sure what you're reading. And I don't think masters are really American. Pretty sure they're internationally recognized in other sports. Try tennis, golf. But keep sticking "Americanized" on anything you don't understand.

even though i never really liked playing q4 I loved speccing it and followed av3k and toxjq's rivalry closely... and I'm sure i'm not the only one.

You're not. Q4 was a lot bigger than most of the esr people will ever know.

No really, the game sucked.

You're fucking stupid :)))

Incorrect statement.

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How can you compare number of players attending events of one game and size of GTV audience for another game? You're acting like Q4 never had any audience, what the hell ?

The comparison wasn't between players and gtv attendance silly. It was between the amount of people who had interest in quake4 versus quake3.

The only reason anyone played quake4 was for tournaments. Those people who attended all the major tournaments were the only ones who really gave a crap about the game. The overwhelming majority of deathmatch players didn't really care about it.

In quake3 though, people didn't just play the game because some tournament organizer decided to put on a few lans. It was because people genuinely liked quake3 and the community surrounding it. Every major tournament had a story behind it and the fan base was and is die hard.

Amen....

I'm not proud of all of the decisions that were made by my old organization but I still believe that events and tournaments should be fun before anything else. Hopefully, you should see some more of this in the near future.

When I see interviews with many of the top players outright bashing the game and stating how bad the game is and the fact that they're only playing it for money, it makes you think. This was one of the reasons that it was brought up to even consider going back to Q3. I wanted to get the community more involved with things like GTV and a tournament that people actually had fun at. I think I accomplished this with Winter 2006 with CS and Q3 and I'm quite proud of that event. Slasher and the guy had exhibition matches, there was GTV for all the matches and people were able to follow who they wanted to watch, not just whoever had their matches shown the most on a video stream. GotfragTV did a great job of varying the matches shown and people were able to spectate via GTV even if another game was being shown on the video stream.

That said, I do think that Jarod has some great ideas and i DO think that there is a place for the other games as hopefully he can help bring the different game communities together. The one thing that needs to be done by the community though is to get behind projects like this that are meant to reignite the DM community and show your support, rather than hoping for failure because you don't like some of the decisions. I'm sure that the players for each game would rather have 3 months (1 season) of tournaments for their game rather than no events because no sponsors could be found due to all the infighting.

Chris Moncivalles

how do you know how many people would have watched Q4 on gtv if it were as easy and free(!) as gtv for Q3?

And the number of players showing up for Q3 tournaments in the last two years wasn't exactly epic either. (see CPL Italy)

"...if it were as easy and free(!) as gtv for Q3?"

That's exactly my point. My goal was to make my tournaments available to the most amount of spectators as possible and have a little fun. I didn't have the same options at that time with Q4 as I did with Q3. Q4TV wasn't even out at that time.

As for the turnout, I still feel confident that if CPL Italy had used a different game, it's not like it would have been an overwhelming difference in attendance. Judging from the turnout from most events that year, if the attendance was going to be about the same with either game and with Q3, I was able to allow more people to participate in the action by GTV and let the players have some fun, I still think I made the right choice.

yes, and for that reason I didn't reply to you ;)

Still the point is that quite a lot of might have watched the stream and probably more if it had been a better quality. But he simply chooses to ignore that and only counts the gtv audience.
Which in my opinion renders his complete argument pointless.

I mean I might as well say that WSVG thread on here had hundreds of replies therefore hundreds of people care a lot about it. I don't think that would make any less sense than what he did.

Careful, or you'll awaken the 8 q4 fanboys.

ugh, the WSVG finals of 2006 for q4: tox vs fat got more attention than any 1v1 match I had ever seen.

Streetrunner, this is going to surely fail if you use so many games, specially Q4 and UT3. People outside the gaming world can't notice the graphic difference between Q3 at high and Q4 at high, as stupid as it sounds. Save money by removing those two stupid games and give bigger ammounts to Q3 and WSW players.

Mark my words and double check them when this fails.

After reading the details, don't think this will work. It's just the wrong time to start something this ambitious.

wSw? Hell yes

I think the only way 4 games will work is if all the players try their hardest to make it work. If people play all four games no matter what, it can work a lot more than if everyone justs plays what they want.

I think Streetrunner is assuming that 90% of the players that play one event will play all events, which will HOPEFULLY be the case. I can see this system not working if people choose to be prudes for the other 75% of the circuit just because it isn't THEIR game.

I think if we had 4 games that everyone enjoyed immensely, then this system would work flawlessly. But as we all know, people who play Quake usually hate UT, UT players usually hate Quake, warSow players only like Quake if its CPM, and so on.

People just need to play the other games even if they don't like it as much. Easier said then done, I know, but I feel that is the only way it'll work.

What's the point of playing a game you don't like?

$$$ & glory.

Surely there is a much much much greater amount of money to be made in a job you may not like, than devoting all of your time into a game you don't enjoy, to participate in a tournament you may or may not win.

Exactly, why would anybody play a game they don't like for a tourney they probably wont win? Now I will devote some time into a game I love ie: Q4 in the hopes of doing well.... as I am sure most people would.

UT3 :o

Remove Warsow or Quake 3 and put PainKiller =]

Best Joke Of The year

remove warsow, ut3, quake 4 and put 3x quake 3

remove vq3 and put cpm

I appreciate the passion and all, but using four different games is suicide. It's complicated enough as it is.

I think the guy has the heart.. but making people play all 4 games to get to the Masters, or whatever is just retarded. If people want to compete in multiple events for more money, thats cool. But to expect people to become a Jack of all traits is bull shit. Have people pick the games they want to play. Don't force people to play all the games to do well in the season thats just ABSURD.

nomadic get a hair cut please. Quake 4 is dead so is 1v1 games just cause your going to get a few sponsors over a little graphics card isn't going to make your wallets fat just invest in a flip headsup with Phill ivey or something!

what.. 1v1 pokemon was not chosen??

ehhh btw why AGP... this term is totaly not googleable!
like AGP-gaming would result in a shitload of graphical cards, and AGP would go to all kinds of financial institutes....

stick with q3. quality>quantity