[insert random uneducated fps independent physics rant]

i want fps dependent physics!!!

Probably because you've got a 'high end pc', unlike me. It's quite unfair to give players with better hardware advantage in the game.

It's like a Pavlov reaction. People see the abbreviation CPMA and go 'ZOMG PROMODE NOOOOOOOOO'. But if Joe wants to drive a Renault rather than an Opel, just let him. Joe is just not that smart, or perhaps he loves Renaults.

lol dude, its more like cpma (ferrari) and OSP(Old ford escort) wouldnt you rather ride in a ferrari ? faster, better, more luxe car?

maybe they dont want to drive a ferrari because they cant handle it and think they would crash into the next tree. x) (i hope you know what i mean with that :) )

a jaguar or luxe car then :) ferrari was a bad example

Lada vs Bentley?

lada > impreza

proof:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=72692...preza+lada

porsche > ferrari.

NEVER!!!!

yep bigtime!

Just think that escort is gonna whoop that ferrair on gas mileage.

ROFL!

your arguement that "it can be updated if the community doesn't like something" is flawed currently, considering arqon still hasn't bothered to fix the movement and the truelightning 0 shaft.

so ya, it _can_ be updated, but who gives a shit if it won't because it doesn't please his most royal heinous?

Ahahaha!

it doesnt needed to be updated nothing wrong with it.

only thing that bugs me is the distorted use of 'vq3'

it aint vq3.

it is..... maybe try playin it before saying something you dont know

the point is that arqon modified ospers' game....after we played it for nearly 7 years. that's the problem here. no one asked him to do that, yet plenty have asked him to un-do it - or at least get the movement back/lg to what it is, yet he only mocks ospers.

and your previous comment doesn't really make sense, considering i've probably been playing q3 (and both of these mods) longer than you.

What's changed with the lg? Its stronger in cpma vq3 isn't it?

About the movement, I think it's time for arQuon to get over it and add a little more acceleration so we have osp like movement.

i'm not sure of the technical details, but the lg handles differently; it's more "noodly" with higher pings (45+), but is a lot more devastating with lower pings.

Just set TL 1 from ping 0-150, yes yes you're used to tl 0 so was i and i was stubborn like u vq3 players it took me a year to final switch to tl1 and it toook only a few matches to get used to it

NOTHING has been changed with the tl or lg its cos cpm netcode removes the 50ms builtin to q3 and some other stuff

Actually rhea asked arqon to change "osp" by asking arqon to bring osp up to cpma's technical standards. Bug fixes like the movement were a shoe in. If you don't know this already, osp would have had independent physics and many other improvements that cpma has had for ages.

the difference being, that even if rhea had changed it and received the same feedback, i doubt he'd have responding by calling the players a bunch of whiners/sheep/idiots/etc, all while being an elitist dickhead and ignoring the players he was providing a mod for. in fact knowing rhea, he probably would have been quite a bit more receptive and willing to pursue some sort of compromise.

but then again, rhea seemed pretty mature and socially capable.

osp aint vq3.

the movement and shaft are.

no it's osp. has nothing to do with vq3

the movement/truelightning 0 shaft are the same in osp/baseq3. cpma vq3 is the one that decided to go and change things.

many other things are changed in osp...

largely just interface and added settings, the basic game is the same for the most part. that's why most players that know anything about OSP generally regard it as "vq3" - which is why even arqon tried to use "vq3" in the naming of his iteration. the only difference is that we called him out as a liar and a hypocrite :/

"for the players, by the players" - my ass.

"But who knows? Anything can happen in this game; this is CPMA, not OSP. It’s huge difference in my eyes." -z4muz @ cpl

why don't you join a baseq3 for once and then come back and still say "they only changed interface and settings" :)

physics and weapons sure aren't changed :\

and honestly, that isn't even the basic point here. it's that if there ARE actually any other changes, they were probably requested/welcomed by the players/community, as opposed to scorned.

even the czm interview yesterday had a quote to the effect of:

"how do you like CPMA compared to OSP?"

"great except for the lame physics and movement changes"


again, that "for the players" slogan is bs.

nice one

what are you talking about, Renault > Opel

It's called classical conditioning ;)

never thought I'd see this term on esr, you sir have made my day

Well if you study Psychology you gotta know such things :D

sup DJiTH x)

I wish xs4all would update to CPMA/OSP 1.39. Then i could play some CTF :)

It's quite amazing how many people are confusing CPMA VQ3 with CPMA CPM. I asked some people on xs4all why they wouldn't play CPMA VQ3 and they responded back with comments such as, "it's too fast for me".

To me this is also a sign that the server admins can't be arsed, or they are under the same umbrella of those who see CPMA and think OMFG L33T0ZRS TO L33T 4 MEZZZZZZZZ I D0NT W4NT L3R4NS.

amen with that

ye still loads of them thinkin that cpma=cpm :/






*hint for promode.org*

please make next release to OSP 2.0, not cpma 2.0, that'd b just perfect

osp is fine.

its fine yes, but cpma is better

why do you need something better for public play?

because tournaments use the same that gets played public.

a lot of the tournaments are still osp, so why do the publics need to be cpma?

i meant it the other way around, tournament organizers probably wont switch when everybody is still playing osp on publics.

i thank god the cpl did it, i wasnt happy with it in the first place but love the mod now. And the public duel players are starting to play cpma vq3.

But i dont see any tdm or ctf tournament organizer taking such a risk so the publics have to switch first.

so people have more fun with better netcode, servers get more people cause you can play on more servers... its even playable with 100ping

have you even tried cpma?

it's like a cellphone... never missed it when you didnt have one... now that you do, you cant live without it.

yes i have tried it

the cell or cpma? I'd guess the cellphone ;)

for someone who hasn't tried it, must be pretty thick in the head to have his own server for it

Because it's the newer/better standard in vq3 gameplay.

Better netcode, better features, you can customise so much more than you can in OSP. Developer support. To list the few of the benefits.

Why deny yourself a better experience? I'm sure if you had the choice you would like a better orgasm than the one you had previously?

all great arguments for competitive play

don't know about you mate..
but having better netcode, custom huds, a female announcer, better demo support, better bots, custom gfx options makes the game more interesting than the old looking and reminder of all things *2001* OSP

maybe you should actually install it

I do have it installed and and I sometimes play it, but all those features don't make a difference to me when all I want to do is join a server and make a few frags a couple of hrs per/week.

You might have a really good point there actually. All the time spent on CPMA as a mod has been with the hardcore player in mind. I don't really see one aspect of the current revision that is new player friendly, with the exception of the GUI settings interface, you still have to have your own superhud.

I think if the cpma team could perfect GUI settings and include OSP preset example huds, we would all be much better off. You would still have the flexibility that the hardcore players want, with the ease of use for the newbies. The only question now is how would we transport our custom huds to a tourney that doesn't allow pre-configured configs?

Why wouldn't they? CPL allows em, and all the tourneys always have for q3.

The CPL is allowing configs to be brought in now? I thought they had banned that and thus the whole reason why the cpma team was implementing the settings GUI.

No, the events so far have allowed it after screening. I think arq just wanted to be ready just in case, and it's nice to make it more noob friendly. (also easier for the OSP people with diff commands to set up)

Indeed. The ability to tailor to the freshest of newbies is what we should be concentrating on tbh. The hardcore among us already have all the features we absolutely need. Changes can be made later if we need them. If we could get a really easy and complete GUI for settings then we might actually start seeing an influx of new players.

They always had to be pre-approved.

but you propably want full servers

Because for example the improved netcode is something that everybody would benefit from.

*edit* Aquashark covered it already :D

What would the reactions be then if someone went "baseq3 is fine for casual play, wth do you need those god damn fancy mods anyway"

:P

I prefer osp for casual play because it has a lot of things baseq3 lacks that I use in my casual play like +wstats, nme models etc. cpma also has these features but doesn't contain anything else that I would find useful enough to make me want to change from osp to cpma. I suck at wording things, but I hope you get the idea :)

+netcode
+ you can make your own hud
+thinshaft
+newbfriendly

+newbfriendly; not really :/

it is you can vote stuff with pressing escape
you have a little GUI

let me change my stuff more newbfriendly...

It´s as newbfriendly as quake III in general.

yeah , and while were waiting for that just join #snuffpickup on qnet and play some cpmavq3 tdm :

because you can't fucking move in vq3cpma, you're more of a fridge than ever.

Because quake players are terrified of change.

Anyone who is perfectly satisfied to what they have is terrified of change.

cmpa is better yes; adding a little faster movement wouldnt hurt and we would all be happy :)

i love the cpma physics as they are.

they should just stop calling it cpma vq3, and call it OSP v 2.0. Then everyone would immediately download it and use it.

I think the new way the hud is handled is too confusing to new players. I could easily see myself decide to skip playing q3 altogether if i were a new player, because it just requires too much reading and cfg testing to get to use. Same goes for OSP commands that has been changed to something different or completely replaced in CPM VQ3.
1. They should also make it possible to change the hud like in the old osp version..
2.. have something like cg_allowoldschoolospcmds, so that you dont need to spend so much time testing your cfg.

dont agree on the hud, would make things even more confusing
better put some .hud-s that are similar to osp huds

i agree with the OSP v 2.0 name thing

So you would want the new and improved hud, AND the old 50 cvars and the following "I want ch_hudcvar231 in pink"?

I think the term "molboarbejde" might be familiar to you.

a lot of people spend ages with their old cfg, now they have to do it all over again. Allowing them to just copy their old osp cfg and load it flawlessly, with the exact same hud and settings as previously, would make the transaction a lot easier so to speak. If you just play for fun, im not so sure how many would want to bother as i stated before. I dont consider mysel lazy, more like the opposite, but i dont have the same patience as i used to, nor the drive to read some wikipedia and readme file, and test other cfgs and compare them to my own, and load quake on and on, just to change a simple hud. I can see how it would be stupid to keep the old cvars, and im not talking about what would be best for me, i sincerely believe that a lot of the old osp players wouldnt want to go through it all over again, so for the sake of the Quake 3 scene, keeping them probably wouldnt be a bad idea. It's not like there isnt any alternatives out there, with WoW, dota, xbox, ps3 etc...

The only good alternative to keep the cvars, would be some way to convert ones old cfg, to a new one with updated cvars..

First of all, you don't have to load quake "on and on", just use /reloadHUD...

The cpma hud had been improved a lot compared to the ancient osp hud even BEFORE the cpma superhud was introduced so it's not as simple as you think it is.
It baffles me that you cannot understand how reintroducing an inferior (and redundant) hud would be a complete waste of developer time.

I do understand your worries about having to spend a couple of minutes setting up your hud, but if you don't have the time (or skill) to understand how the hud actually works, then use http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1203248

yea..because that all it takes..a few minutes..

Like I said, if you are having trouble understanding how the hud works, use vael's program.

dont reply to that..

lets not forget "IW ANTMY BLINKING NICK"

that's the only thing i miss from osp... oh, and grey!

fag

does that 0 represent your gaping anus?

you'd like that, wouldnt you

I wouldn't mind trying it, but I don't know any Swedish freezetag-pickup with CPMA VQ3. :)

IP? :))

You have IP, or do you want IP from me? *confused* :p

I would like the IP, some freezetag pickup would be cool and I ping OK from the netherlands (I hope). Haven't got IRC and server browsers installed, have been inactive for a couple of years :|

You need to join #ftpickup.se on mirc to add to the pickup.
IP is 213.112.2.105:27963

Thx. I really need to install mirc again

because some people find b2r harder in cpma vq3 :)

even cooller cant make it :o twice in one game :)

even I cant make it
wtflololbalance patch plz !?

It's hard, but enough practice and tries and you get this. Take note that in a duel I can't do it for shit, haha. Don't ask me to try T2, though. :>

it's really not hard at all imo.

thats funny. my movement was never great but i never really had problems doing b2r in cpma vq3. i almost never miss it. in fact i miss the jump to ra on hub more which is weird but that's just me :P

well. even i vq3 is okay you still have to play versus people who came from playing cpm promode. and that sucks... i cant filter promode off in ase.

u can :)

not in cpma. in osp i can. :)

You have to filter via server_gameplay, not server_promode.

yeah but it doesnt matter. no one is playing vq3 cpma anyway. :)

there are many ppl playing duel

yeah. about 20 people worldwide.

omg, cpma vq3 just increased its playerbase by 400% from the time when you posted to the point when i refreshed cpma duel in ase!!

cool.

your wrong... i see more people playin duel @ VQ3 CPMA then on OSP. maybe stop talking bullshit and start installing

been there done that already. padawan..

cleary you havent if else you wouldnt say stuff you dont even know

been there done that already, my young padawan.

Well, you've got a point. But take myself for example, haven't touched Q3/games for a couple of years and just started playing again. I'm wnot looking forward to have to change all kinds of config settings for cpma vq3 to keep my familiar Q3 feel.

And what about the changed movement I hear about? CPMA VQ3 movement <> OSP VQ3 movement I hear.

But for quality, yes, I believe CPMA is better. And it's not nice to have 2 standards, so maybe it would be better if xs4all etc. would change to cpma vq3.

They're just retarded. That's why.

Hud is different. I have actually taken the time to make it look like OSP, but it still doesn't.

But the real problem: In CPMA people act like magnets. And no it's not "better netcode". What I mean is that 45% LG is commonplace in cpma matches - it's just ridiculous.

that i noticed. but im a hot boy with lg so im not surpRIsed.

fucking beats me

Let ppl play what they wanna play, why do u want more ppl to play cpmavq3? Is it that lacking? I wouldnt be surprised. Hardcore osp players wont switch they would most likely just stop playing.

i ask this myself every second i have to play osp in tdm =(

:<

coz OSP netcode feels less hacked and my jumps still take me exactly where I want to be taken :o

thats all in the head... play cpma more and you'll get use to it the difference is soo small

bs, I played alot of cpma vq3 and I even played cpm and cpm only for quite some time, so I know what the mod is like. Still, for vq3 gameplay I prefer the OSP jump length and the OSP netcode with its delay but ultimate smoothness.

the jump lenght is soo bs its only abit more wont affect much, i mean i can still easily do all jumps in cpma to rail (dm6) and all other stuff ...

and for ultimate smoothness play on lan..

the bigger problem is the netcode atm, not the jump length/height. in OSP it all might be a little bit more delayed but it is smooth and absolutely stable. in CPMA you have - imo - alot of randomness when using laghax -1, I dont even use xerp 1 but still it feels so hacked, and I don't like that feel.

osp netcode is stable? "oke" i think cpma netcode is better maybe doesnt feel as smooth as osp but its better netcode.

t4 bridge? thought so..

was that jump really all that useful? you almost never see it being done in games. it was just too risky.

What jump are you talking about?

jump over t4 top gap.

It's possible but pretty hard yes. But the t2 jump is impossible for me

yea its too risky to try in game imo.

"and can be updated if the community doesnt like something..."

ROFL, got arqon ?!

Yea, that was a good one LMAO :-))

Due to the leagues I have now to play both cpma vq3 and old osp vq3. Funny, 2 mods with different movement and both claiming it's vanilla gameplay ...

I don't care what mod I have to play, as long as it's _one_ of them. What really sucks now is that I have to switch between them. Worst situation, and since cpma devs refuse to make the movement like we're used to this won't change.
I was clearly better off playing old osp only. Sure, everyone switching to cpma would be the best solution, but we all know this won't happen.
Too bad I'm playing a game with such stubborn devs and a stubborn community. One of them without stubbornness would be enough: Players ignoring the arrogance of the devs and living with it, or devs listening to the players ... but no, players like me who could live very well with both mods have to play both now ... too bad ...

Everyone was complaining about X-Battle and Q4Max in Q4, not one topic without many comments of random people that they want _one_ mod. And now? Same happens to Q3 now, just look at Clanbase for example, where you _have_ to play both if you want to play ctf and duel. "Great" work ... :(

Too bad I'm playing a game with such stubborn devs and a stubborn community.
The community is ok, they just don't want somtehing changed, they play that game about 5 years now with the proven settings. The mod devs are wrong, because they try to force the community to unwanted changes. I'll just ignore cpma (till it offers PURE vq3) as I made it the last years, but the sad thing is, that it will probably divide the community into even more pieces, apart from the point releases. So the devs weaken the game with that stupid decision.

"force the community to unwanted changes."

i want the changes :x

(am i now banned from your community?)

Why should they be forced? Let them decide. Give them real vq3, thats all. You like mods. Thats fine, but you are not part of the vq3 community like this, thats right.

OMG, i am not part of the vq3 community anymore ? :(

wait, most q3 duellers would say smth different.

Obviously not. :(
"Most" of the duellers? I doubt you know what most duellers are thinking, there should be still a few thousands out there. And if you think just many ppl make something good, why don't you play counter strike or WOW?

i dont know what most of the duellers think, i only know that they are playing cpma vq3.

"And if you think just many ppl make something good, why don't you play counter strike or WOW?"

wtf ?

I do not play "vanilla" Q3 cpma. And many others do so as well. I ask you again: Why do not let them dicide on their own?

i dont force anyone to play anything. but if the new cpma would have been called osp 1.39 everybody would play it because it is newer.

there might also be some ppl that preffered a older version of osp or an older version of q3, like 1.27 or whatever, but they still play the newest thing. cpma 1.39 is just a newer version of osp, hence why it is called cpma/OSP 1.39.

... you know what, forget it.

actually your wrong, there are/were still people who played older point releases of q3.

"i dont force anyone to play anything."

That's right, not you personally. But the devs of the mod you are recommending. :(

"but if the new cpma would have been called osp 1.39 everybody would play it because it is newer."

First of all would that be somehow a cheat on the community.
Secondly just because it is newer makes it not necessary better, see also Q4. ;)

"there might also be some ppl that preffered a older version of osp or an older version of q3, like 1.27 or whatever, but they still play the newest thing."

The newest thing is 1.32c. This version has all rules vanilla Q3 need IMHO.

"cpma 1.39 is just a newer version of osp, hence why it is called cpma/OSP 1.39."

No, the original OSP is not continued anymore. :(
I think wiki answers the topic why many ppl don't like cpma exacly:

"Part of the reason for the mod's widespread success is that in most cases _it did not change the core gameplay of the host game_, but extended it with admin and referee functionality, as well as other visual and administrative details that improved the game experience for both server administrators and players."

:D

First of all would that be somehow a cheat on the community.

if the work on osp would have continued, it would have gone the way of cpma, so why in gods name would it be a cheat on the community, cpma 1.39 IS a newer osp, why dont you get it, rhea gave arqon everything from his work when he stopped.

i guess its hopeless.

AMEN TO THAT

How did CPMA VQ3 change the gameplay of baseq3?

Overpowared lg !

\:E/

:D

mg and shaft are powerful but makes the game more balanced vs railcampers/backwarders thats why i think

it might help vs rail campers, but at the same time it is also more powerful vs all the other weapons. so basically, it has become even more hitscan whoring.

plasmagun got more powerful actually i dont think it changed anything its still as balanced, shaft was allready a big weapon
@OSP lans

I was joking.

After "76fps physics", "they changed the lg" is the most common superstitious whine :D

It's because people after so many years of no change people get used to playing what they have. Most are also satisfied with it. Look back at the NQ/QW split in North America. Many top gamers stayed with NQ despite it having clearly inferior netcode.

My problem with changing was we-writing a config :(

I would rather see vq3 players stay on osp and seems like they want so...

cpma for cpmers.

what u scared of?

vq3 servers and those cunts who never finish their duels or leave in warmup or acuse cheating or just begin morons for noreason etc spacecs nonorganized chickens.

and how does that stop u from playing cpm? u just being ignorant? :o

Ehh? those guys jump on server while im excepting nice cpm duel OR join to server that has vq3 and cpm disabled .

ive been coming across plenty of people lately that claim how superior promode is to vq3/OSP and always callvote promode. i f2 for a bit saying i dont play promode then get berrated for being noob. so after a while i just want to play so i f1 for promode and some map ive never played a match on and procede to beast after i figure out the basic layout, get called a noob vq3 camper or cheater and then they disconnect. it's the same shit.

? Sounds like the NA CPM community may be bullshit(vq3 too with those cheat accusations and all that whine going around), haven't encountered any of that over here :/

I play people that don't want to play CPM in vq3, don't mind, I like both games(even though I like CPM a bit better).

Has this happened more than once? Seems like a sore apple,but if it continues happening, there may be something wrong with the community in general. I hope there isn't.

I usually just look at the map being played to decide if it's a vq3 server or not, and what the players want.

yeah its happened more than once and yes it is bad with vq3 players as well. NA q3 is bullshit for the most part though there still is small group of people that are amiable and play to have fun even if they are better than you. somehow being a superior player for a lot of these kids means you automatically have to be a prick.

I hate CPM's menu! every time I launch CPM, I try not too look at the menu cuz it's ugly xD
OSP's menu is Quake 3's, so it's OK :)

(Is there a way ti change CPM menu's look?)

They really changed the physics (jump range/altitude), compared to 125 FPS baseQ/OSP? Is that really true? If so, I never will change to vq3 cpma! I like the physics as it is and was intended by id-soft. Don't fu...ing touch the damn physics!
Hope some day someone will add MV demos to OSP and fix the vote bug (kick xy/reconnect). That is all I need.

"as it is and was intended by id-soft"

and there is the problem, the 125fps movement of baseq3/osp wasnt intended by id software.

Thats not exactly true! It was not intended in the beginning, but later, as they tried to change it, the community cried out loud, and they left the "bug" in. They even add a cmd to get 125 FPS movement with weak comps (pmove).

> add MV demos to OSP and fix the vote bug (kick xy/reconnect).

OSP 1.40 has both of those.
Horses and water. *shrug*

Never heard of that. Google finds nothing with "OSP 1.40".

osp 1.40 is not yet released, try osp 1.39 :P

With massed physics? No thanks ... :/

why do ppl still play q3 ? huh ? LOL

Fuck off to your sauna mate.

haha

ESR has the answer:

Latest Journals
* WHY DO PEOPLE STILL PLAY OSP? (3*/90) by draven-
* Retards (4*/17) by Wimp

Sums it up pretty nicely.

I still play OSP because it gives me pure vq3, not something with messed physics, which I don't want. And I am for sure not the only one.

if you want pure quake then play without mods

who says osp is pure vq3 ?

maybe cpma vq3 is pure quake ?

just all what your used to...

OSP is pure Quake 3. It did not change weapons or physics. The only thing is enemymodels which differs from baseQ IMO. But that is fine for me. And if not, I just could not use it.

and cpma vq3 didnt change that aswell ...

It changed the physics IMHO.

change =! fix

125fps movement was a bug, so it got fixed.

It WAS a bug, later it was standard! Throu floors was a bug as well, and never made it to standard, so it was removed! See the difference?

read this:

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1276685

maybe you'll understand that the jumps in osp are LIL bit more farr yes we know but its still the same gameplay with better netcode and updateable

All I see is pll moan about the physics. :O

"CPMA VQ3 IS LIKE OSP VQ3!

Got it?"

No. Can you explain it, please?

125fps movement was a bug, so it got fixed.

So was bunnyhopping. Good thing they fixed that, huh?

hah well they did , seen bunnyhopping after q1 by ID?

q2

q2 didnt have bunnyhopping...

At some point (version 3.15), it did. You can still have it with Q2 3.2* by turning up sv_airaccelerate to about 10.

http://ra2io.planetquake.gamespy.com/ed_air.shtm

the ppl who play the mod they prefere are called retards now? hmm

Yeah. I think thats one of the more common reasons why the CPMA scene hasnt grown bigger than it did. It might've been a joke, but why the hell would anyone want to be part of a scene where such arrogant behaviour still exists.

i think this is the reason why i started playing q4.. its simply because most players have been playing the same game for 2 long(and it shows...not only in skill but also in the attitude)... i dont even think its about wich mode is better or not... its more about the ppl that have been playing either cpm or osp for to long... these ppl dont accept any change (even a very small one)unles they want something new...

its like beeing a ps3 fanboy and call every Wiii owner a retard... i think thats absolute bullshit...


this retard reply from arqon shows that cpm prolly isnt as popular as he wants.. theres no need for a reply like that... not from a person who actualy made the mod...doesnt make sens..players want their mod makers to be smart

i dont know about all these updates he makes.. are they really giving a lot of improvement...or does he craft the mode into something that is most likely to be more suitable for himself.. cuz he seems like the arogant bastard who would actualy do that... not 2 say that he didnt do great things in the past...

the update and adding features looks like overkill..and cpm isnt osp no matter wich mode u run..

:)

Good thing CPMA is such an "Open Comunity Mod" (TM).

Fuck CPMA and fuck OSP I want baseq3 pr 1.00 movement and netcode : /. Now THAT'S VQ3.

1.0 wasn't even the release version, if i remember correctly. What about test? Go play test! :p

ye you do that

I prefer pure Quake 3. The physics proven for years now and lots of tourneys, players and games were fine with it. This game is the result of many tests and discussions. The physics and the weapons are perfect as it is now! Get the hands off it FFS!
Nerver heard something about traditions?
See popular games like football, chess, billiard and so on. They are popular not at least because they have traditions. It's a "magical" formular which was found over the years. Don't touch that!

You got any idea how many idiots stayed with pr 1.27 because they the newer pr's changed the physics? It's exactly the same now.

Q3 is too complex a game to be compared to boardgames and the thing is, if you want a proper community in a game like q3 then you better have competitions. If you want competitions to continou popping up then you better have updates and get used to change.

You got any idea how many idiots stayed with pr 1.27 because they the newer pr's changed the physics? It's exactly the same now.

Yes, ppl playing old PRs is a sad thing! :(

Q3 is too complex a game to be compared to boardgames

But the example fits in terms of changing the rules. And I doupt that Q3 is more coplex than billiard for example, which is at least analogous and should have almost infinite more shambles than Q3. ;)

and the thing is, if you want a proper community in a game like q3 then you better have competitions.

Yes, I agree here with you.

If you want competitions to continou popping up then you better have updates and get used to change.

Why update prefect rules?

Stop saying it was perfect. If it was there would be alot more than the 3k-4k players around the globe that we are today.
The numbers of quakers have exponetially decreased the last couple of years. And do you know why? Because NOTHING changed. And no, OSP didn't stay the way it was because it was perfect but simply because Rhea had no time to continue working on it.

"The numbers of quakers have exponetially decreased the last couple of years. And do you know why? Because NOTHING changed."

You know what I think why the number of players decreased? BECAUSE of the countless mods and point releases out there. To exaggerate it: Every single player plays his favourite point release with his favourite mod and sitting on his favourite server, waiting for the others, which are doing the same.
Vanilla Q3 needs development, thats right. But only to make it more user friendly, not to change the fundamentals.
For example MV demos, new maps, better ingame serverbrowser, ingame demoplayer with the option to rewind, repeat, add bookmarks in demos, better chatsystem with the opion to copy and past URL's from the chat, the option to play demos in real time on servers, more stats/infos available ingame with the mouse (for example a profile with a picture, email addy, weapon accuracy of the last 100 games and a hall of fame with screenshots of good players which were defeated ...
Thats the things which would make the game fresh and more spicy.
But don't dare to touch the basics. It was changed often enough! Leave it like it is.

"and can be updated if the community doesnt like something..."

you're so wrong with that statement for sure...

Arqon has the means and the mod to make happy cpma and osp players, his ideas and followers are not in the interest of the majority of the community, his attitude is also such that even if he did please the majority, you couldnt be sure he would then change some shit just because he wants to.

In order to have a mod that will surpass osp you need to please its main player base, no point having a great feature rich bug fixed mod like cpma to use in leagues and completions if you havn't got the contenders coming through from the player base.

cpma is also unfortunatley a victim of its own greatness, with all its bug fixed and sterilised greatness, but you just cant beat the hilarity and fun of the original q3 and variant vq3 osp.

Currently I think there's 3 xs4all publics, Derfel some time ago suggested they should be limited to allow less players. I say better idea would be to have at least 1 of those 3 to run cpma vq3 ctf so even the slowest of us can give it a shot. We all have the mod installed already after all. I for one would LOVE to give it a shot, and I have a feeling I might like it too. And if what whoever says about better netcode is true, that would be a huge bonus for me! :)

People still play excessive so it can't be too surprising can it? :P

i think the netcode in cpma is too good. makes it easier to play all aim no brain!

Yes "all aim, no brain" should be reserved for swedes and lans. On the internet you ought to get a worse experience.

Just take a look at clock beating carnage with ping 60 vs 0. It's just lame and unfair that carnage didn't get a bigger advantage.

tbh, the fact that its much easier to aim on lan with cpma than osp is pretty anoying to me, just look at cpl italy and nordic. people just aim much better with cpma.
Ofcourse its good that u can play with high ping, but i dont want another q4!

So, what you're bascially saying is that you don't want players to play on more equal conditions online? So it should be all ping instead, is that what you want?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

tthat is what he is saying. No fair game pls. WE need some kind of advantage online, if not ping plss hack.

ehm i know that aint true, you need better aim yes but all aim no brain thats bs

Because they are stupid/ignorants.

But sadly, leaving things as they are right now wouldn't help to get people to finally play the perfect VQ3 on CPMA, also getting new players on it. Surprisingly (or not), new players still today tends to start playing on OSP (because recomendation of other OSP players since there are more people still playing OSP -specially the average TDM joe-, because there are more OSP servers, because you wouldn't get confused on voting a gameplay every single time you join a server, or vote weaponrespawns or whatever the average lazy admin doesn't bother to configure.) Also the ones that hear about CPMA VQ3 and ends trying it, will instantly go back to OSP for the facts mentioned before, but also because the "what the fuck is going on, I can't change that hud, why is LINX here if im using XAERO, this feels shit /quit & back to old OSP" feeling.

This is pretty sad, since the best thing would be that CPMA VQ3 becomes the only and unique way to play VQ3, standarizing it and making it easier to everyone (specially as a result of converting every single OSP server to CPMA).

Now the problem here is: (Im sure everyone experienced that on some point), and its no other thing than trying to play VQ3, on a generic "CPMA 1.39 whatever server", which lets you vote whatever you want (VQ3 or CPM). Here comes the fights, kicks, votes, and "I will call an admin if you vote X gameplay" between the ones that want to play VQ3 and the ones that want to play CPM.

The solution here is here clearly on arQon's hands, so, this is a message to you:

Since its clear that admins will never configure servers the right way, and the fight will continue forever, why not just make happen what lot of people said already here more than a couple of times, and thats no other thing than releasing a configured, ready to run CPMA VQ3 under the name of OSP 2.0, that its ready to configure for dumb admins and easy to join and play for dumb/newbs players. Leaving on the readme and somewhere else that this is running throught CPMA its suficient IMO. Also, and again, EMULATING 125 fps physics wouldn't hurt ANYONE: The ones that doesn't care about the change will stay OK since they come from playing OSP and will make the stubborns/newbs/whatever you want to call it happy. At the end of the day, if it says osp on the "Game" list on ASE, people will play it even if you put naked Lucy skins on every single model.

to long :o

Id rather not play it because it doesnt feel the same. Not the same movement.

you should try it, you''ll get use to it.

I tried it, and I like it. But the movement is different. No problem to get used to it though. A problem is definately that I have to play now old osp _and_ cpma vq3 (check clanbase, for example: There you have to play both for ctf and duel, as already mentioned).
I don't care for this discussion, slightly different physics, new features etc., but I do care for Quake that is all I want to play. I want to get used to this or that movement, but now I have to switch all the time. This really sucks. I talked to a few other players and all thinking the same that the switching is the worst case. I want _one_ mod.

So this is the situation now: Two mods for different gametypes and/or leagues. A split in the community. "Nice" work. :/
I keep hearing comments like "try cpma vq3, you will get used to it", "just switch and you will like it" or "give it a shot, you won't want the old stuff back" etc., but imho these are the most ignorant and stupid statements one can make. I _did_ give it a try, I _do_ like it, but I'm _forced_ to switch back and forward all the time. Playing old osp is inferior to cpma vq3 technical wise, but the situation right now is clearly the worst could happen.

The only thing "you" are (developers who make "another" vq3 that is different from vq3 we were used to; can someone please explain how it is possible that two different physics can both be "vanilla"? - the players who should _all_ switch or not) doing right now is damage to the community by pissing off random players like me who have to live with the worser situation. (Someone remembers how many people said they want _one_ mod in Q4? Why doing the same bullshit now to Q3? How stupid can it go?)

Please, end this stupidity: Make everybody switching, if that doesn't happen change cpma vq3's movement that way nobody has a reason anymore not to switch or give it up and go back to old osp if you're too stupid what holds stubborn people off cpma (yes, same stubbornness the devs show). But stop telling people they should get used to, because that is excatly the thing this situation made impossible by having to switch all the time.
There are many players who want one mod and think that this sucks right now, more than you might think.
End the discussions and give us _one_ mod, I don't care which one.

the problem here is clanbase

they fucked up the quake4 community in exactly the same way with xbattle/q4max

Blame the krauts.

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CMPA VQ3 > OSP. NO FUCKING BRAINER.

I have noticed I swear quite a lot recently too =[

oh and I am off to ASDA to see if they have q4. heh only Ł10 but no halo

and halo

Seems to me that cpma'ers cant live osp players still likes osp for how it is (thoes who still play it). =)
As we clearly can read here most osp'ers like osp's movment / netcode rather than cpma vq3 movement etc.
The 2 mods dont feel like the same thing at all and a lot can agree on that even if cpma is coded better.

I want to be able to play VQ3 TDM but it's all in OSP. I cannot play in OSP because my connection gets tons of packet loss and ping spikes and it just generally is a worse mod for me.

Im not saying that cpma is shit or whatever, i just like osp how it is now.

But in your case its your connection that is messing around since other can play osp without any problems online.

Yes I know it's my connection, however I think you'll be surprised just how many other people have bad connections that cpma would benefit. It just makes the game more fun for those of us who don't get 30-50ms everywhere tops.

the net code is no much better but the movment is a bit annoying.

years of osp have made us lazy with circle jumps. plus u just don't jump far enough.


osp with cpm net code please

> years of osp have made us lazy with circle jumps.

I think I'm morally obliged to [+] the only person in 200 posts to actually ADMIT that this is the truth of the situation rather than try to make up some flimsy excuse. :P

It's not problem of lazyness for me (and for a lot of people) since I can do all the jumps without a problem, but a problem of the feel as a whole. OSP 125 FPS physics just feels better, less "Q4 1.2", if you know what I mean. So, I don't get why you wouldn't emulate 125 FPS physics since it doesn't hurt anyone: You make happy the ones that want it, and the ones that doesn't care about the change wouldn't care about it, and obviously CPM players wouldn't care less about what happens with VQ3.

Thanks.

Osp players might make up excuses or whatever, but the fact still remains that cpma vq3 and osp is not the same thing.

osp q3 is still played to this day for a reason ppl enjoy it enough to keep fighting for it rather than play cpma vq3.

After playing cpmvq3 for quite some time now, I have to admit that there are a ton of things that I love about it. It's smooth, online playability is very consistent, and mvd is killer. On the other hand there's still something that feels more true about rail in osp than in cpm. I mean...it's not a huge issue but it's one reason why I don't turn down an osp ctf pu. As lame as osp netcode is in most respects...some weapons just feel more natural, to me at least.

feeling more natural sums it up quite good, to me the cpma netcode just feels hacked (for vq3)

Seeing as how I wrote the code for both, and CPMA's is simply a more advanced version, you can just tune it "back down" to the OSP 1.03 settings and still have the superior feature set / quality / etc of the more modern releases.

If anybody ever bothered to RTFM, they'd know this already. :P

The shaft sometimes does for sure.

I think this whole thing is funny, there are not enough ppl playing cpma vq3 so this is a weak effort to try and get more ppl to play. Things like this kinda of mod crap is why ppl like q4 lol.

humi-mar summed it up osp =natural

i see more people play CPMA Vq3 duel then osp q3 duel so dont call crap thnx

because i don't have time (and don't want ) to spend hours and hours to learn another mod, after the time i spent to learn q4 movements, maps, gameplay etc....
Why would I do that, as there are currently so many people sticking to osp, as i don't care about tourneys and as i probably won't play this game in a near future (let's say end of 2007, when the game is really over)?

Calling people stupid because they don't want to play another mod doesn't help at all. It actually makes you look arrogant, as if you know better.

I've played CPMA (CPM and VQ3) a lot but i still prefer OSP.
Actually atm i only play TDM and CA (oh yeah with promode) on OSP.


I like the OSP style of tweakin the HUD, if only superhud had options to disable elements via console, but from what i've seen on promode forums, thats not gonna happen.


About the so called fixed physics, i had 125+ fps for years, i'm used to that movement and jump height. I guess i just like Q3 for what it is. I see CPMA as another mod and not as improved OSP and no one is going to tell me what to play.

But i guess people just don't seem to understand that, so i'm sure there will be another CPMA vs OSP post next week :/

OSP is better for me :)

The problem here is Clanbase and jolt.

i would play vanilla quake3 again if these leagues switched to cpma. Its such a shame their shortsightedness and stubbornness is fucking up the community just like they did with quake4 by using xbattle.

jolt ruined it again

FFS JOLT Y RUIN?

I can only speak for ClanBase when i say: the community has chosen the mod, not the admins.

Dunno what happened with Q4 nor do i care, but what you see in Q3 is the choice of the majority.

Clanbase are the MTV of gaming - lacking the balls and conviction to do anything even vaugely risky, regardless of whether or not it's for the greater good in the end.

Fucking waste of time if you ask me.

No, what you see is the exact same thing as Q4, as GreenBastard said: CB admins making the decisions and pushing their personal agendas for as long as possible until the situation becomes so laughable that they HAVE to change.

That said, as long as you (you personally, not "you, CB") ARE running the cups/leagues/etc, I reckon you're entitled to use whatever you feel like even if it's baseq3, and if somebody wants to do a better job of it they should volunteer as an admin and suffer through all the crap that goes along with it. :P

No, what you see is the exact same thing as Q4, as GreenBastard said: CB admins making the decisions and pushing their personal agendas for as long as possible until the situation becomes so laughable that they HAVE to change.

I'm guessing that was aimed at erazor and his choice of x-battle.
I think he has chosen that mod because he could actually have an influence on the devs.


Now about me, i would NEVER let my personal feelings get in the way of my work.
I listen to the community and i'm not going to force something else.
You should try that sometime..it actually feels good :)

Btw if you look at that quote, you could replace "CB admins" with "CPMA devs" and get what every "stubborn" OSP player thinks :)

Ahaha, brilliant, how could I miss this comment.

CPMA won the battle of the mods. Get over it, they're not that different.

Hey draven. I didn't read all the messages, but I'm all for changing OSP to CPMA VQ3. There are tons of argument, I've been making CPMA VQ3 cmapign for 2-3 years for now, you can pm me for some links deatils or tons of mails/discussions/tutorials I sent.

For this time I thought and talked with people alot. And there are changes to switch OSP to CPMA VQ3. But these ways are very hard. If you want to convince OSPers (TO TRY!!!) to play CPMA VQ3 at least few games you have to:

1. Run famous league on CPMA VQ3 not OSP. kuh3liga was very close (about 55/45 percent of votes). This way you force players to play CPMA VQ3 at least 4-5 games. That's like they play 1v1 tournaments now. Best scenario: run Jolt on CPMA VQ3.

or you can:

2. Run famous servers on CPMA. You have to play and practice somewhere. Best scenario: run gs.net, XS4ALL, spontanctfs on CPMA VQ3.

or you can:

3. This is drastic and 1% chance. You can go and find a bug in OSP that makes it unplayable anymore. Remember vierprev bug? If you find simple command that crashes the server without pointing who did it - mod is unusable anymore (even if CPMA has this bug too it will be fixed in days I guess).

or you can:

4. Apply 1 and 2 and run your own league with your own servers. But it has to be for few weeks. 1 day pq.de tournament starting at 15:30 (wtf? :o) at sunday won't make it.

Feel free to ask some questions.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497503 - here is one of my latest CPMA VQ3 > OSP in CTF discussion topic.

3. This is drastic and 1% chance. You can go and find a bug in OSP that makes it unplayable anymore. Remember vierprev bug? If you find simple command that crashes the server without pointing who did it - mod is unusable anymore (even if CPMA has this bug too it will be fixed in days I guess).

You seriously consider to search for an DOS exploit, to sabotage the OSP server and ruin the game for the ones that prefer OSP, to force them to change to cpma?
Man I can't tell you what are my feelings for you.

No I don't. But these are only 4 possible ways I can imagine. I can't do even one of these four but these are just ideas.

If you want to convince OSPers (TO TRY!!!) to play CPMA VQ3 at least few games you have to:
3. This is drastic and 1% chance. You can go and find a bug in OSP that makes it unplayable anymore. Remember vierprev bug? If you find simple command that crashes the server without pointing who did it - mod is unusable anymore (even if CPMA has this bug too it will be fixed in days I guess).

You did! No matter if you can do it or not.

I'd welcome cpma poping up on more servers, unfortunately i think it would be a disaster for q3.

Lets say the popular xs4all CA server bunged cpma on it, would it still be popular (maybe if its setup right, but i have no faith in that happening)

Thinking about it i cant see cpma CA ever being better as we all enjoy the osp bugs, invis players bounce bugs that bring new dimension and fun to the game.

Last time i hoped on a cpma vq3 server all the defaults were different from osp, even when changing map it defaulted back to cpm, as you can imagine the server cleared fast! and this was from people willing to try! please dont go on about server admins being retard, nothing we can do about that is there...

anyway what cpma needs is more FFA and CA servers where we can just hop on frag about on and learn to adjust (adjust to the inferior movement and aim) :D

When you know you can reproduce overbounces reliably and where to do that, then yeah they can be fun - otherwise (i.e "actual" play on an osp server) they're just a random annoying push on landing that can go from just throwing you off, eventually costing you a fight, to making you void with a powerup/flag :p

People still play OSP because that's the mod all the leagues/public servers use. Of course it's a real shame, but honestly, what can we do?

Only thing I can really think of is for the next jolt campaign, as many as people as possible suggest using cpmvq3 and see what the admins decide.

I can tell you. We've been over this this season.

Poeple suggesting CPMA VQ3: only two - me and sh@dy.

bigfoot is not responsible for that, this is decision of Pagan and Mandy. His comments were only that this can split up community (which mostly can be true, but suprisingly with the same situation on Australian CTF it went very smooth and everyone was happy after 2 weeks with that switch).

As I asked Pagan and Mandy they said they didn't even try CPMA VQ3 and they cannot see any reason to switch.

More ideas please :)

Maybe refer them to this thread? Tell them that professionals are using cpmvq3, tell them its an updated osp and not using it is like using osp 0.99 in the league, or something equally stupid, I don't know! :< I don't understand why they don't use it, there's just no good reason not to. None at all.

Tell them ...

... lies.

Do you even play in Jolt ? :-)

The Jolt admins are fucking idiots to be honest. Don't have a good word to say about any of them (except maybe Jr).

pointless argument, pro's can stick with cpma, fun players can stick with osp :D

Why should there be any difference? That's like saying let the professional footballers play with footballs and boots, the rest of us can play with bare feet and rocks :p

cry, osp forever!

No but the goal is bigger :)

no one wanted vq3.
it was forced by some tourneys.

osp is just fine.

ehm.....

osp = vq3 .....
you think cpma is the promode movement which isnt that case you can vote it out and you have same movement as osp the jump is slightly less farr but almost the same

OSP > CPMA VQ3

why?

I don't like the netcode and physics tweaks. I like regular client-server netcode, shaft in CPMA is really ridiculous, and the physics feels weird after all these years playing OSP... The hud stuff is pretty great though.

netcode you'll get use to it, cg_nudge is a example which alot osp players dont know about they think its cl_timenudge but its cg_nudge i use abit nudge online like -5 then it feels good.Physics tweaks? what do you mean? i mean the shaft always been one of the mainweapon in q3duel..

Movement-wise, CPMA VQ3 just doesn't feel like OSP. This may be a biased opinion, but it just doesn't feel right for me.

And I know about cg_nudge, I know all about CPMA's netcode, I just don't like that much client side predictions, specially regarding hit-detection priority.

movement is such a small difference after playin cpma a while and no osp you wont notice it anymore... it stays quake3, and same its the same gameplay..

its just the time to adapt which alot players / teams dont like

Ět's not the same. If it were the same, playing OSP and CPMA on lan would be the same thing, which is not.

- "its just the time to adapt which alot players / teams dont like"

Man, how much bullshit can you write? Very bad observation of what really happens.

Only a minority is discussing things here, the vast majority could care less for a little change or if they play OSP or CPMA VQ3. Like explained above regarding your stupid comment "get used to it" or something. The truth is that random players like me, who did have _one_ mod (osp) for all leagues and gametypes now _have_ to play (or they just could give it up which would be no solution for the community - even you might get that) _two_ mods (OSP _and_ CPMA VQ3, look at Clanbase, for example) with different physics. We _were_ adapted to _one_ movement. _Now_ we have to _switch_ all the time (players who play different gametypes like me, ctf and duel, for example). That's the _opposite_ of adaption and "get used to it". I _want_ to get used to _one_ mod.

Now I am stuck between two groups, one who wants the change, because in all other aspects CPMA is at least equal or superior, the other doesn't want something new, because OSP has everything what they want and they don't like the new movement.

But the group that doesn't get heard nor the devs are willing to listen are the players like me who have to live with switching all the time now, depending on the league and gametype. That really sucks.
You know, in Quake 4 everyone was whining about the two mods, players wanted _one_ mod. One could think "we" learned from that situation, but no, instead it's fucked up now in Quake 3. "Great" work. :-(

So what to do?
1. Make _everyone_ switching (I would gladly play CPMA due to all the benefits, but having to play _two_ mods is still the worst situation; won't happen, because we all know how stubborn _both_ sides of the community are)
2. Get the devs to _emulate_ 125 fps OSP physics with fps independent movement as good as possible (win-win-situation, everyone will be happy since that's the only reason not to switch right now; won't happen due to stubbornness of the devs)
3. Give CPMA VQ3 a different name and make leagues for _both_ OSP and CPMA so the players like me can pick what they want without having to switch all the time (for obvious reasons: VQ3 for still most people is what was played since all those years, and it's ridiculous by definition to have _two_ different physics which both claim to be VQ3 (read: vanilla))

I don't care if I play OSP or CPMA, I just want _one_ mod. So please stop the nonsense with "get used to", because that's all we want! And that's exactly the problem to solve, that we now have to live with different physics all the time, a problem we didn't have without CPMA "VQ3".

look at the client docs. you can disable the adaptive prediction if you don't like it.

I really didn't know that. I don't know if it'd make a huge difference, I'd have to test it... But that wouldn't matter much unless everyone else disabled it as well, and that's not gonna happen.

And like I said, playing OSP and CPMA on lan is not the same thing, and it should be, regardless of any prediction algorithm.

amen to that

OSP>VQ3 thats it!

osp=vq3

nope its like a bad copy.. it's like watching a movie on a HD-tv or a poor quality avi on your computer.

so, osp is a bad copy of baseq3? or what do you want to tell me....

nope its a good upgrade :)

you dont get it.

baseq3 = vq3
osp = vq3
cpma vq3 = vq3

if you want to bash cpma, then say CPMA vq3 because vq3 is also everything else ffs.

?

?

because it's the future :DDD what an argument

arqon's just playin ceasar/napoleon here

"it's fixed" what an argument over public demand.. pure pure hypocrisy

hmm..

Funny shit this is. Before I more or less quit the hole Quake and PC gaming thing in general I was playing CPMA when this fps physics thing was FIXED and all hell broke loose from the cpma community bitching about it being harder to do some jumps on some random maps and blah blah blah .(I for one didnt care as my pc at the time allowed me to only cap a 76fps anyway).
Now I come back and I see the same damn argument.

I personally would like to see all of the cool stuff from CPMA get moved to OSP aside from the superHUD. I'd love to see the hole fps/physics tie removed and to keep people happy(by that I meen quiet) have it work so people still barely have to strafe jump to do b2r.. Unfortunately I remember that being either very difficult to do or impossible for one reason or another.

arqon also didnt have a good comp to have 125 fps so he never had the pleasure to try the godlike movement in osp :o

nothing wrong with cpma vq3 movement... you just need more skilz to jump to rail etc

"It's not problem of lazyness for me (and for a lot of people) since I can do all the jumps without a problem, but a problem of the feel as a whole. OSP 125 FPS physics just feels better, less "Q4 1.2", if you know what I mean. So, I don't get why you wouldn't emulate 125 FPS physics since it doesn't hurt anyone: You make happy the ones that want it, and the ones that doesn't care about the change wouldn't care about it, and obviously CPM players wouldn't care less about what happens with VQ3."

Seems some people can't read here.

you'll get use to the feeling.

I already did.

But on the back of my mind (and everyone's else that played osp before), you know that jumping arround on osp felt better.

Conclusion: I adapted myself to something inferior, which is dumb. But you see yourself forced to do it because the other awesome CPMA features (can't go back to shitty osp netcode at this point, ie).

thing is... why i made this topic for the people who never tried it and never wanna do so... (most q3ctf players in europe that is) they all think its cpm movement but its VQ3

I will tell you why ppl play osp cause they dont need air movement or or an awesome looking hud or menur or other gimmicks to have fun and frag.

i don't care that much, but that arQon sure appears to be a crippled retard *shrugs*

if arqon would take this netcode out hardly anyone would bother...

And what makes you say that? Idiocy?

not realy atleast cpma is updating... and osp aint quake3 is soo old still good tho but its always welcome to use little tweaks and new things.. which cpma is trying

osp > cpma

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just truth !

cleary you havent played cpma vq3 yet

i have =)

not enough then.

Currently I still play osp, because since installing cpma 1.40 I get a chopping effect when playing in vq3 mode. Doesn't occur in cpm mode. Only in vq3 mode. After reading through the 1.40 change log it doesn't appear that any settings have changed that should have an effect on this, but it does. The really annoying factor is that it only seems to come into play when the core gameplay is changed by a vote, or anytime a player readies during a team game. I don't mind cpma gameplay, but I'd like to not be arsed with a gameplay effect that feels like I'm playing on a 16mb gf1 when I decide to play with the vq3 core gameplay.