Definitely One time payment, and perhaps pro membership some years later to support dedicated servers instead of shutting them down.

You mean again with shit id software servers? We need dedicated servers from the start.

And they should not do the same error again.

I had no problem with the id servers, and I loved QL pro membership which allowed me to launch servers in Germany, UK, and all around the world on demand, good times.
The only thing I missed were private dedicated servers with mods and custom maps, that's what we asked for many times and would have been a nice addition.

Because you paid for it. All other people didn't pay for it and were treated like shit, more and more with time passing.

All other people was able to play the game for free.

lol.... In what way were people treated like shit, you know, other than getting to play the game still for free

It wasn't possible to vote nor do shit. Lot of people had already left the game, if it wasn't for free premium servers.

The way the devs handled many things about the business model, including the free stuff was questionable indeed, but complaining about it is like when the beggar yells after you on the streets that you are shit because you didn't give him twice as much.

That's not how it works. You wanna go for a free-to-play business model? You have to do it, right.

Otherwise you make me pay (and I would gladly paid for it, AT THE START, at least) and gtfo.

you are forgetting first of, it was meant to sustain quake by in-game advertising and that didnt work so insted of that they brought us premium and pro accounts. So premium and pro was more or less a trying to save stuff not like it was a perfect plan. alltho to be fair it gave quakelive a few more years.

That's what I meant. Totally bad planned and made the players angry and unsatisfied, completely forcing them to go premium or pro even if they just wanted to do 2 duels in a month, since there were no voting system and shit.

even with that system there was not much trouble finding some1 with payed account.

Who the fuck wants to lech someone just to play a game?
It's okay only for tryhards.

hah ... basically every1 not paying for the game are leeching resources one way or the other lawl.

it wasnt like that for everyone. I got into QL in SA in like 2012. In that time there was the montly rotation system, choosing between 3 options at the end of the match.... there was no way to find a proper duel in a proper map. And anyone that had pro accounts (in SA there wasnt much of those) was way beyond my level and i couldnt even see most of the servers they were playing on, so no chance to even meet those people.
I ended up paying for premium and spawning a server 24/7 with the invite script and guess what.... most of the time some skilled player took over the server and noobs couldnt find a proper duel either...
That system was like specially made to reduce the player base.

ye i forgot SA and NA has worse conditions.

IT wasn't planned bad. In game marketing could have been a thing.

Problem is that regulations vs planning have nothing to do with practice. For instance, you cannot allow advertisement of products that are aimed at adult population with player base that spans minors.
Also with uregulated and unproven system you cannot get bigger sponsors to advertise.

I think that if QL had a system closer to CS:GO and what they currently support with gambling/teams/sponsors/leagues/skins it could have made more financially with ad than it made ever in subscriptions.

pro membership was a shit, paying 20-30$ a year for q3 + social stuff

I played QL every day, it was worth it for me.

Let's go back to Quake's roots, make it shareware.

With release of Quake Champions in 2025

"It's hard," Willits says. "That's why no one has figured out the solution yet, and there's a lot of smart people that have been thinking about this."

lol

"I know words. I have the best words".

"They are great!"

"They devalue their currencies!"

You dont understand word i just word do you?

~€30 purchase (helps prevent cheats too) + loot boxes/micro transactions for cosmetics + custom server/game renting + cheap as possible online pass @ ~€20/year to support public servers?

30 EUR...
3,50 tops.

We want to get a whole bunch of people in

Copy what Blizzard does. Spend millions of dollars on marketing, free "Starter Edition" with limited options, implement reward schemes like "recruit a friend", "scroll of resurrection", limited collectors edition with ultra fancy stuff, etc...

but we also don't want to make anyone upset about anything

Lies, that doesn't matter Tim, you know it doesn't, we know it doesn't, you're not fooling anyone you bald donut mongering coke addict. BUNCH OF PEOPLE IS ALL THAT MATTERS TIM. BIG BUNCH OF PEOPLE TIM

If the idea is to revive the Quake franchise, that no one outside us cares about it anymore, then it has to be free to play.

Why don't they just try the overwatch angle, with the base game being $40. Free to play just brings in too many retards and cheaters IMO

But that's a Blizzard game, that was advertised everywhere before hand and even today. Those two things guarantee a healthy playerbase.

In this day and age a $40 multiplayer-only id software game would be a commercial disaster. They just don't advertise their games much at all and the quality of the multiplayer side of their games is way lower than of what Blizzard produces.

Free to play brings players. What Quake needs is players. Lots of retards yes, but that's not a bad tradeoff when it could mean the game going from 500 players (Quake Live has that according to Steamcharts) to 500,000.

i agree with 40€ first pay and none of that bonus for older players, that bonus can come as special skins deal or as a secondary payment deal, like first dlc.

That said, dlc like doom in a MP game isn't the right way. ... doing this you deny some part of your player base playing the dlc part of the game hence smaller player base at a certain point. Smaller player base in terms can then be also has an effect on matchmaking.

Maybe a trial to play and then you need to purchase 3 tiers of "accounts"

like a starter, veteran, master.

Where they vary from £10 till £40/50 with the ability to purchase mini items or cosmetic changes. I dunno.
With it being a first person shooter you can't really make many visual changes to the model because you'll never see it, unless you're playing team based modes and you can see what your team mates look like all kitted out in random shit.

I do think the ability to buy different map styles would be amazing. For example let's say we had ztn but with the colour scheme and style of say toxicity or whatever. There could be a lot of further potential to monetize but it depends on which direction they want to go.

100% agree on the map styling! That's where it's at imo...
Base game price same as overwatch - give steam users with 1000+ hours a free theme for campgrounds(original remake). And everyone the ability to buy a masters edition; which, would contain a unique theme for base maps & characters, a hall of fame hero gallery of all the previous 'quake champions' with a small highlight reel for each; theming around their weapon of choice, commonly known for(...) and using their original configs for material used.
Inc. information on casters, steamers, supporters and users that gained 1000+ hours in quakelive(with the ability to befriend them instantly).

Since it's not running on a 17 years old engine, I don't think the game absolutely needs to be F2P to get people to try it. However, a low price point is still a good thing for a large playerbase. I'd try to find the sweet spot between high playerbase and good cheater deterrent. Maybe around $15? Then cosmetic items for sale with no way to turn that stuff off for players.

what like TF hats? I'm good. F2P didn't help expand quake live. Not sure why they'd think about trying it again

That's what we used to call a demo, right now they are gonna make a game with fuckton of DLC and say the game is free ;)

Yeah looks like it's going that way :(

Free starter account with 5 hours gameplay time. One time purchase to buy the game at a mid level price, in game cosmetic purchase stuff.

No, no, no. Let me pay up front. I don't want to deal with bullshit DLC's or army of unhindered hackers. Make it a good game, and charge full price. Thanks.

I seriously can't believe people asking for in game cosmetics in a game most people will have set to picmip 10

Most quakers will set picmip 10, but 90% of the people in the game won't be quakers!

then who is this game for...

Consumers.

so why do we want to play this then

Hi Noctis https://youtu.be/3snl-Z5Q404?t=3m22s

:)

That's SyncError i was talking to there btw.

so what does the large 'E' denote on your id tag?

Hah, they didn't really know what badge to give me so i've had 3 different ones over the course of the week. First they gave me a T badge (tournament player), then i got an E badge (employee) and on friday i got a package delivered to my room with an X (exhibitor) badge. Apparently i should have received the package when i first arrived though. ;)

you should visit the states more imo.

employee employee employee employee employee employee

Sigh...

please make QC great ;)

FU lobster :)

Make Quake Great Again

SyncError pointing out the location of the doughnut bar they had at the event.

I prefer a free demo like games had back in the days. The free demo version would have all features unlocked but limited to 1 map, so people can find out if its fun or not and if it runs on their potato.

And if you want the full game you pay $50+. Thats not even a lot of money, but its enough for people to not buy 10 copies to cheat with (which is super common in CSGO, since you can get the game for like $1 thanks to ruski prices and sales). Help some neighbor with the garden, suck a dick or some shit but if you really wanna play, everyone can get $50.

i agree at 40€, same price as OW. So cheating can be at least wasteful at somepoint - detelew__________________________

A trial version, 30 days plus a crack.

Let's make it like mIRC. Trial version followed by annoying behaviour until the user gives in.

Single payment, none of that gold/pro/wanker account level shit.

Yup. Shareware / demo and full retail single time purchase.

Single Payment + microtransactions (just cosmetic) + steam workshop

no prem no dlc shit

I'd rather pay for quality map packs /new modes or something than have stupid cosmetics in the game. Also this game better allow modding or at least user made maps.

I'm expecting some user made content but no code modding. Like Quake Live.

I'm ok with paying either way, provided I get quality product with good servers and decent playerbase. Quake 1-2-3 is the game of my childhood, so getting back to those nostalgic memories will be priceless anyways.

i'd pay for it anyway, if its good.

but a demo is needed! maybe with different maps/features in rotation.
the game should be around 29-39€, since its a pure online game.
then add some cosmetic stuff like in csgo (i hate that tho), just for the newbs and hipsters these days.

30$ on steam, 50% sale 2 months after release.

Expecting full price to minimize cheaters is unfortunately a false sense of security. Until Valve gets off their butts and decides to go after these "steam cdkey" sites, cheaters will always have a cheap way back into a game. And they won't do shit until someone finds some legal angle to take them to court (csgo gambling sites) or those sites start taking too big a chunk from their bottom line and they have to start cutting back on those company wide Hawaiian vacations (or Gabe's Snicker's budget).

I say pay once and give us some cosmetic shit and gambling.

So let's say beta starts and it starts hyping the e-sport angle of the game. So you don't have other modes and they don't include anything that isn't planned to be promoted actively. I guess matchmaking won't be properly tested until mid/end of beta because player base could be smaller.

You get some active old school players to play a league or sunday cups and we have what .. around 12 champions with more coming during the beta.

We have around 4-6 maps to play with depending on how matches develop and how much time each map takes .
Most important element for cosmetics is spectator mode which would showcase cosmetic elements.

So these could be "cosmetic items" I see thy could be promoted and sell well:
Official team brightskins. Logos, custom paint on model skins.
Player variants/team variants for weapons.
Custom item skins (flag/totem skins)

CS:GO has a lot of weapons but only hand full of active ones (that determines the price with skin rarity), Quake titles have a hand full of weapons and most are actively used so I guess there shouldn't be any officially chosen skins you could buy or get in a drop or something like crates etc.

You can run whatever you want for games you play. But there should be official guideline and officially approved skins for events, leagues and streams/spectating.
This way the e-sports activity and teams could have "official" skins which could be used as something people supporting them buy.

As for the game itself I would got with around 35 euros for the game. You get 5 in trading currency or just transferred to you account. You are encouraged to spend that fiver to buy a set of skins you like if you want.
Also with 30 you charge a decent amount of money people will likely buy it to play a few matches ... but if it is hyped and if you provide them with their own pack of skins and you also provide them with a competitive season you could provide enough that they stick around and play more.

I seriously wouldn't expect any more players than what Quake Live had at it's peak, if that. Unless they decide to put a bunch into marketing.

F2P wouldn't bring any more players in long term, unless they radically change up the way the game works. Quake Live was also F2P and did it effect the longevity of the game any more than if it was a one time purchase?

If you wan't to just accept the fact that it's probably not going to be played by millions, but have a happy hardcore scene, then make it a one time purchase of 50 euros or whatever, with free updates and so on. I would hope that would make people less inclined to cheat, if they have to pay out 50 euros every time for a new key.

If you wan't people to buy it and try it more readily, but still not more be any more likely to stick around for the long term, make it cheap and under 15 euros. If it does develop a competitive scene I guess that makes people more likely to cheat though, if they only have to spend 10 euros or something for a key (think steamsales).

I think following a CS:GO model with cosmetic skins and awards is a great idea and is actually pretty fun. Getting cool skins for the rocket launcher and so on would be pretty popular. How easy would it be to add in specific player themed skins too? A Cypher rocket launcher. An evil lightning gun. Baksteen grenade launcher. Etc.

Whichever model they choose, it is going to be a gamble. But let's face it. Reflex is basically what Quakers have been asking for for years, but they still aren't happy with it. Warsow was pretty much the same, still not happy with it. Diabotical next? How long will that last? Quake Champions?

I think the truth is, the MAJORITY of people aren't into hardcore competitive DM like we are, but something more casual. Focusing purely on a competitive side won't work I think. It needs to have something to keep casual players interested.

Humour, fun, ranking, social (check out my e-penis), comms, team, heroes, streaming, sharing, matchmaking, vods, twitch, facebook, money. Etc, etc.

Those should be keywords :)

Is there any mesurable effect on games by social media, beside twitch.tv which is the main advertizing scheme.

marketing is degenere
propaganda is the way

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