wat

Have a search if you can be assed - there's too much to mention/explain.

You posted the "news", idiot, so you come with the research.

december 31st is going to be the last day of 2012!


zOMG !

21 dec 2012

he asked for my thoughts on december 2012 and that was the first thing coming to my mind :p



2nd thing was christmas :D

Oh noes, not on me birthdays -_-

I though we all died in 2000.

I though we all died in 1999.

My thoughts on December 2012:

It's the last calendar month of 2012 and is about 26 months away.

And i saw a few youtube clips and most of them seem to be written by polish 12 year olds or something.

"it was happen 2000000 years ago and was kill THE DINOSAUR"... that was the first video i saw and then i stopped #caring.

Ignore the stupid music, american cheese and editing and the Jesse Ventura clips show some interesting things.

are you really this stupid? i mean, come on...

I said I don't beleive this/take this seriously. It's ust theres alot of talk about it so just thought I'd post it on here :)

how come all that comes to my mind is...this: Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage. Tutelage is the incapacity to use one's own understanding without the guidance of another. Such tutelage is self-imposed if its cause is not lack of intelligence, but rather a lack of determination and courage to use one's intelligence without being guided by another.?
don't waste your precious time on such obvious bullshit. end of the world? yeah, sure :S

Cunt

xD

lol

26 000year cycle is coming to an end http://api.ning.com/files/GEV1fksTTUWdK829vCg...ection.jpg

galactic alignment that will take place results in the increase of seismic activities and weather anomalies that is already happneing and will continue exponentially.there will be suffering and pain,but far from the end of the world.Its much more a new beginning.
We are entering the 5th dimension.The higher frequencies coming are the cause of the higher global awareness.
A 5000 year dark age is finally coming to an end.

all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration — that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death; life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves...

Welcome to the age of Aquarius bitches

lol

our bodies are 80+% water and if a small shity object in space like the moon if the cause of ebb and flow of the ocean,then guess what other objects floating about have an effect as well,which has been known for 1000 of years.

you're full blown jonesy material

I don't get how GI jonesy is seen as mental, when he just states opinions how to improve society with things that have been established in Europe long ago, sorry need to write a rebuttal on r1ddler now

2010 says hi.

"guess what other objects floating"
Liam?

Galactic alignment in 2012 is a myth.

Proven astrological/astronomical fact

myth is if it will cause a pole shift ,which is almost impossible for us to know

No.

yes

No.

It's not a fact. There will be absolutely nothing unusual in December 2012 regarding galactic or planet alignments. Let me c/p what I sent a friend some time ago.

Planet movement simulator:
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/

There will be no particular planet alignment on the 21st of December:

21st of December 2012 at noon 60°:
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspace?tbod...mp;porbs=1

21st of December 2012 5° (zoom):
http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/wspace?tbod...mp;porbs=1

Other pic:
http://www.heavens-above.com/planets.asp?Y=20...amp;SZ=600

NASA on 2012:
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

Article with various questions/answers (on 2012 starting with the 2nd question):
http://www.obs-hp.fr/astro/questions/alignements.html

A scientific of the NASA Astrobiology Institute on the matter:
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiol...n/?id=3093

Two pages about the Mayas and the planets in 2012 (a couple of imprecisions that you can complete elsewhere):
http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/2012.html
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686

A Maya expert working at the Texas University on 2012:
http://decipherment.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/q-a-about-2012/

Six myths about 2012 and the Mayas debunked:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/...myths.html
(see in particular myth Nr 3 regarding a "galactic alignment")

Another Maya expert who addresses the issue in details:
http://www.famsi.org/research/vanstone/2012/index.html
In the first powerpoint, he mentions a very ordinate galactic alignment that has been taking place in December every single year since 1983 and will continue to do so until 2019 (I think it was particularly the case in 1999).

I don't think I need to go on?

i dont understand why your showing me planetary alignment ,when in its galactic alignment

there is nothing to debunk,tho nasa can spread as much misinformation as they want ,surely we don't want people believing in aliens ,end of the world theories and what not.It is my opinion that fibre optics and nano technology for example is something we reversed engineered but have no way to prove :)

((convert a night vision camera to work in daylight (to capture light invisible to the very narrow human eye spectrum) and there is a very high probability you will see something ))

regarding 2012
It is already happening ,people are waking up from their "sleep" becoming spiritual (not religious,which is purely just manipulation/slavery of the mind),just look at our planet ,see whats going on. There are changes occurring everywhere,not to mention volcanic eruptions and earthquakes that will continue to take place more and more.

I haven't checkout all of the links yet,perhaps i come across something that will change my mind.
The problem is i follow my intuition / meditate astral project (OBE out of body experience) and try to form opinions objectively.There is so much shit on the internet,one can easily get misguided.

reality check:
nonlocality, showing us what a wonderful and connected matrix our universe is, everything is connected and knows no time or space,, it is only our own limitations that creates the barrier for really truly thier is no barrier.............The possabilitys are limitless ,just only our fears of what we dont understand.

oh and please go on,because what i check so far is dead wrong

lol ok then... I'll ignore all the batshit crazy, potential troll-material stuff in your previous post and ask you what exactly is wrong in what I posted? And where's your evidence to support your claims regarding an unusual galactic alignment in 2012?

"The problem is i follow my intuition / meditate astral project (OBE out of body experience) and try to form opinions objectively."

Let's agree on this line as the last statement that was needed to settle this argument. I wish you a prosperous, healthy and happy life.

Most are way to young to start thinking on their own and observing themselves (here on ESR) as i was only 15 when i joined and i know how brainwashed my opinions where and somewhat still are.

Our goal in life should be learning about ourselves.

Love and light to you

-r1ddler

lmao.

don't worry brother, I'm making myself an antigrav saucer in my back yard, 2012 ain't got nothing on us.

good on you,since an antigravity device is quite easy to make you shouldnt have a problem


may peace love and light brighten your life

-r1dd

haven't actually flown it yet, first I have to remove the trackers that the companies have installed in my wisdom tooth.

Kifflam, Brothers.

Soon we will prosper under our new consciousness under The Great Cosmic Brain.

Kifflam!

David Icke fan ? :)

hes not that stupid. altho, his raptilion theory is fucking retarded :D

No, he's not stupid. Just a bit manipulative. Also he has some theories (not really his tbh) that are proving to be right over the time.

Yeah, i agree, Even tho we don't want dystopian theories to be true, but sadly some are.

the only people "who are waking up from their sleep" is the likes of you, seeing as the world isn't being shattered into pieces or whatever, needing to delay the date of the apocalypse once again

as much as evolution is a fact?

why of course.

yea

this is old news to us buddy. move along.

<3

:)

So, r1ddler, how is that 5th dimension coming along? Only one month to go! :-)

HAH! Would you know if we came into the 5th dimension? :)

Its like that expression..when you do something right, it looks like youve done nothing at all.




(i have no idea what im talking about at this point)

Well, did you change your mind or not? :)

Oh, no, of course not.
What people seem not to understand is that this is not a Hollywood movie, there won't be a tidal wave as high as the highest peaks in the Himalayas. The transformation is of the mind and is gradually taking place.


I still got it ! :>

You seem to forget you were talking about a galactic alignment.

It saddens me to hear that from you. Did you not read what i said :( ?

Considering your past positions, I'd rather read a clear answer ><

I guess different minds see/interpret things differently.

Yes our universe is "traveling" into and past the point where electromagnetic influences are stronger.
edit: This is most evident by the magnitude and frequency of our suns solar activity and by global warming being recorded on ALL planets in our solar system.

Do you agree, yes or no, that there will be no unusual "galactic alignment" on December 21st? Compared to other years?

It saddens me to hear that from you. Did you not read what i said :( ?

Why don't you want to answer the question already?

Oh you think i haven't answered it directly in every reply in this chain? Im sad for you now.

Is it really too much to ask for an actual clear answer?

I seriously presented you with many clear answers on that EXACT question in this very same reply chain. Im still quite sad. Its like you don't care...do you care?Because I care. I care a lot.

Then can you be even clearer by answering "yes" or "no" to the question "do you believe there will be a particularly notable galactic alignment on December 21st?"...?

For you to form that question in that way, means you have no interest in reading my posts. I clearly told you exactly what i think is happening and what this December 21st galactic alignment actually is. But because i am so sad im going to tell you again, i said that trying pin pointing this event to an exact time/date is futile.

I know you said that. You wrote that the "change" you think is happening would not be a dramatic, sudden event, but a slow transformation. I'm not asking you about that (it's bs, but we've already been through it). What I'm asking you about is the galactic alignment. What are you referring to when you talk about a "galactic alignment", and do you think any particular galactic alignment is going to happen/is happening, regardless of whether it is on December 21st or not?

Its sad you haven't learned anything. So sad. All you needed to do was read.
Maybe in another 2 years time, you might develop that crucial capacity.
I'll keep my fingers crossed ;)

At least we know you're still your same assholish, won't-answer-questions, self.

hm, ja ok..

Glad that's settled.

hm, ja ok..

Feel free to share what you consider to be a galactic alignment any time you want.

Our chain of replies have successfully completed a full circle.

gg wp no re

Without you answering. Indeed.

:]

http://www.esreality.com/post/2362936/re-what...pid2362936

Rotfl I have no idea what this image is about but it's so funny :D

quasi science is the best :P http://larouchepac.com/files/galactic-cycles-790_0.jpg

hi. i actually drew something like this recently when i was thinking about the nature of matter in the universe and how that applies to the earth's orbit:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52181616/orbit.png

the idea i was trying to convey is that the earth does more than orbit the sun on some flat plane, and that there are really two axis of orbit, but our planet only orbits one 360 degrees at a rate of roughly 365 days for full orbit, and the other to some unknown degrees at some unknown rate (unknown to me, that is).

the implications of this (and i think it's pretty intuitive and obvious, after realizing), because of the nature of physical mechanics in our universe, are many, but one of the most obvious that has a directly observable impact to a 'naked' human, is weather and geological patterns.

can you provide any good sources for this information? sources with real data and analysis, and not pseudoscience? i am EXTREMELY interested in this topic. it's fascinating, and it's disturbing how difficult to grasp it seems to be for people.

i responded to you earlier about something, but i can't remember which post i replied to, because it hasn't been approved yet. anyway, here is the concept i was trying to convey, i've found out that what i was thinking is a fundamental aspect of cosmic math:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession

it's so cool.

crap like this only works in amurica

Someone is wrong because I read something somewhere!

this day is gonna be so great, just so we can all laugh at the retards that believe in this shit

A fucking men

Good point :D

yeah, just like with 31.12.1999.

I mean, I really hoped something might happen. I withdrew a few hundreds from my bank account on the afternoon and hoped if it did fail, they would have to go use an older backup :P

LOL

oh god this is awesome :>

Nothing, no-thing will happen come 2012.

It's Millennibum all over again, marketing and hysteria.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3ZRFaJefXo
;D

read all you want. but this will blow your mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermassive_black_hole

a pretty big trash bin it is

sure it's pretty heavy.
big? uhm ... it's more like Eega Beeva's skirt ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYMUo64JwZw

:D :D :D :D

thanks for the publicity
signed:the maker of the video

;)

you must blast yourself in the face with a pistol in order to survive 2012

I think many ( ESPECIALLY AMERICANS ) are gonna experience a bankrupcy because the world didnt end and they prolly took a few million loan to live their crappy lives to the "fullest" these "last" few years. Oooooo, its gonna be so fun to laugh at it.

looking forward to bump this, when nothing happens.

lmao@future r1ddler
hi@future me, sup?

good idea.
Hey me: I know you've been getting this disgusting smell for a few years now, so you better check check for the one black sock which got into the sofa crack. I was too lazy to pull out yesterday. CHECK THE CRACK, dude!!!

you didn't pull out from the crack sofa crack? O.o

want sum crack?

check

life sucks in the future, mate.

That you are a fucking idiot.

someone should nuke Iceland to shut their hole!

Nothing will happen.

This reminds me of FlashForward.

cancelled. :(

ESR without these guys would be so boring.

wot about year 2013? muhaha

pics or didn't happen

maximally whats gonna happen, humans will be wiped out? is that too big of a deal in the scale of the universe ? probably millions of civilized planets have formed and been destroyed thousand times over, in short God (if there exists any) does not give a shit.

gg gb

mister 66
:D

quake 5 will be released on 21th of december

I think a lot of mentally ill conspiracy theorists are going to realise they need treatment after all.

lol no they wont... chaning dates is easier.

tru dat. 21. 12. 21. is the next stop!

lmao@r1ddler

i hope it was just a passing phase of his adolescence

there better be some ironworks in december or I'll be really grumpy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc3u79mFrps

You're all fucking crazy, the truth is the world ended in 2000 and all of this is an electromagnetic footprint our deceased brains interpret as real life SEE THE WAY IT WORKS IS GRAVITONS AND DARK MATTER ARE PIERCED BY SOLAR FLARES AND FORM TINY WORMHOLES DIRECTLY INTO OUR BRAINS AND THEN EARTH'S MAGNETIC FIELD GAVE SENTIENCE TO ALL OUR ELECTRONIC APPLIANCES SO THE INDUSTRIAL MACHINES WERE IN REALITY GNOMES THAT LIVE IN DEEP UNDERGROUND KINGDOMS AND RULE WITH AN IRON FIST BUT THEN SOMETHING TERRIBLE HAPPENED, A GALAXY MILLION OF LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM HERE IMPLODED AND CREATED A NON-LINEAR TIME STREAM WHICH CAN BE ACCESSED BY CLOSING YOUR EYES AND WISHING FOR IT REALLY, REALLY HARD ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE EASIER TO EVOLVE PIKACHU AFTER HE LEARNS THUNDERBOLT OIHWE%QP(Y@

Were going to pass through the milky way plane where theres We prolly will receive an insane amount of GRB (gamma rays bursts) coming from the big black hole at the center of the galaxy. Depending on many aspects, either nothing happens, or this radiation makes the sun go bezerk and it fry as all.

Have a nice december.

scientifical citation needed

Ok but read it all, you asked for it! :D

Thats a good resume to get you started, you can research more in the topics it shows.

How is it scientific?

Are you dumb or just trolling?

I'm just asking. You posted link to some internet website. The author of this article doesn't sign by any scientific title. Was it at least published?

I will give you a short bio of one of the mans behind the data on that page:

Bio for Paul LaViolette

PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D, is author of Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, Subquantum Kinetics, Earth Under Fire, Genesis of the Cosmos, Decoding the Message of the Pulsars, Galactic Superwaves and their Impact on the Earth, and is editor of A Systems View of Man. He has also published many original papers in physics, astronomy, climatology, systems theory, and psychology. He received his BA in physics from Johns Hopkins, his MBA from the University of Chicago, and PhD from Portland State University and is currently president of the Starburst Foundation.


Anyway a good advice is not judging everything by the background of the data, you should use your intuition and common sense too. Sadly the system where we live teachs us were kind of stupid being that need to trust what other do. This is put in place to keep information not supposed to be released to the masses tighlty keep. Peer review etc. Science was never meant to be a closed club of old men repeating the same things. Any person with analitycal skills and the will to really improve society, can do science.

What does it mean "man behind the data"? You linked an article signed by Dan Eden.

Dan arranged the different sources of information, and LaViolette is one of the most "credible" one for PhD whores.

I prefer simple drawing in caves from survivors of previous solar system resets ;)

I'm not really arguing about the content because I didn't read it.
My point is that he asked you for scientific citation and you didn't give him one. You can't call this internet article a scientific citation.

PAUL A. LaVIOLETTE, PH.D, is author of Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, Subquantum Kinetics, Earth Under Fire, Genesis of the Cosmos, Decoding the Message of the Pulsars, Galactic Superwaves and their Impact on the Earth, and is editor of A Systems View of Man. He has also published many original papers in physics, astronomy, climatology, systems theory, and psychology. He received his BA in physics from Johns Hopkins, his MBA from the University of Chicago, and PhD from Portland State University and is currently president of the Starburst Foundation.

gg

?

didn't read a single thing, but when you quote you quote specific books/papers (serious research), pages and paragraphs so it is clear you are not distorting what the author meant.

Looks like giving opinions without reading shit is becoming a trend in esr.

your source is bs. poor language, no sources given. the page frequently quotes itself for proof. link to something useful for once.

http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Predict.html

are you fucking with me? another webpage that links to itself for proof, no external source anywhere, nothing anyone could verify in any way. i'm spotting a pattern here.

don't you realize that even with peer-reviews there is enough fake research and spoofed papers inside the scientific community that i wouldn't know why i should trust a random page on the internet?

see here, for example: http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/07/new-re...esearcher/ or the blog they linked to: https://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/

before you jump the gun and tell me that you of course know that science has been wrong before, not my point. these people have been found out largely because they had to provide the sources for their claims at some point and couldn't rely on creating them on their own forever.

bla bla bla, his theorys has been proven with real data, how much proof you need? keep hating bro

You never went to uni did you? I doubt it because otherwise you wouldnt believe in every possible conspiracy whether it be goverment or study related stuff. In that regard you arenno different than Jamerio. No real proper education but still trying to sound and act like a major educated man but you only get across as a douchebag in arguements. Every single one of them is full of flaws. It is always the same pattern with you people and in the end your discussion partner is either a idiot or a brainwashed marionette of the goverment ...

I still hope you troll otherwise -___-

So one of the biggest geniuses of our era, Laviolette, gives some out of the box theories, that then get confirmed with actual data, and the topic is if i went to uni or not? haha typical clueless attack the messenger style, you must be really smart lolololol

So one of the biggest geniuses of our era

Yeah right :D

I wasnt trying to offend you nor did I say Im smart. All I did was comparing you to Jamerio (I can even search for the topic you will find the exactly same pattern between both of you) and pointing out why you dont understand the reason why a lot of people disregard your "source/proof".

But w/e have a nice day Sir, you are not only a real smartass on the sience of the human body you are also an expert on astronomy. Tell me on which suspects you have similar knowledge. Maybe already found a cure for cancer but the medicine lobby supresses your natural medicine :D? Dunno why Im always suprised that people still believe in so much crap )))))

what ffx wants to say is this:
1.- websites and documentaries are not a reliable source;
2.- papers and actual research are a reliable source if you quote them properly, including quotations and specific pages, and hopefully including the research itself.

If that's not the case then it is an asspull.

No, we're absolutely not going to "pass through the milky way plane". I extensively debunked that myth in an old thread: see here. And the funniest thing is that the image featured on your website is exactly the same as the one r1ddler used two years ago. It's completely wrong.

Here's the relevant part:

"What the image seems to suggest is a galactic plane alignment, meaning that the solar system would be on December 21st, 2012, aligned with the galactic plane of the Milky Way. This is completely incorrect. The reality is that our solar system is currently moving away from the galactic plane. Once the solar system crosses the galactic plane (and is then either located above or under it), it crosses it again after moving during 33 million years following a certain curve. We have not yet reached the point where we will be the furthest away from the galactic plane and will start coming back towards it, meaning that it will take millions of year before we next cross it (and, by the way, us crossing it will obviously not be done in one day). Right now, estimates are that we are more or less around 26 +-3 parsecs away from the galactic plane (a parsec is equal to ~3.26 light years). [Source: MAJAESS, D. J., TURNER, D. G., LANE, D. J., "Characteristics of the Galaxy according to Cepheids", Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Volume 398, Issue 1, 2009, p. 266 (it's the section "The sun's distance from the galactic plane") - dunno if you have access to this scientific journal, I do through my university, you can check this easily on the internet though]."

And whats your opinion on the heating of solar system planets with a quiet sun? Greenhouse gases? Wheres that energy coming from?

Im deffo going to the theory thats supported by strata analisys, cave painting, mistic calendars, piramids alineations, and so on. I might be wrong tho im just a human being. No point in arguing opinions, more on a topic that can raise the primal fear and then negation. There are people that just cant handle truth. Ive researched a good chunk of time to form my view on the subject.

Were going to pass the crux, so to speak.

I recommend everyone to see the alchemy masterpice "Freemasonry: The Great Cross and the End of Time" its awesome in general and a good pick for opening the mind that blindy rejects the topic, like on previous answers i had that didnt even cared to read what i posted. ROFL LMAO Based on the work of Fulcanelli, theres a book version too, but the video is easier for the ADD average esr user.

One matter at a time. You raised the matter of our solar system being about to "pass through the milky way plane". It's just not true, and it's certainly not a matter of opinion - it's a fact that this claim is false. Our solar system is nowhere near the galactic plane, it's actually moving away from the galactic plane, and it will take millions of years before we cross it again. It will as well of course take way more than one day or one month for our solar system to cross the galactic plane when it eventually does.

Are you still disputing this or can we move on to another matter?

> It's just not true, and it's certainly not a matter of opinion

Really? Science never has been wrong? How can you be soooooo sure, see i admit i might be wrong, yet youre so sure that it starts to looks like youre full of it ;) because a pair of geeks said something different than the one i trust more? That doesnt makes your pick right and mine wrong. It just that we share different views. Why dont you share your view, instead of arguing with mine?

I don't rely on an arguments from authority, no. I rely on scientific articles such as the one I already provided you with, which are notably based on direct observation and scientific measurement. This is not something that we don't know too much about yet, and for which our knowledge so far might be erroneous. It's a clearly established scientific fact. You disputing this would be like you disputing that the Earth orbits the Sun because "science has been wrong before".

Sorry bro, yourr right its not a plane in Laviolette theory, my bad, you dont need to be in the plane, i mixed theorys, its a bubble.

Yet the important part reamins, the high probability of a game changing cosmic event in the near future, if laviolette is right, and i feel he is.

this will be so much fun. there's a 24 hour 'reincarnation' party on 22/12 i'm really looking forward to.

...and to your face on saturday morning :D

first and second source worth reading (Cornell University + various astronomers/students/passionates).

Im deffo going to the theory thats supported by strata analisys, cave painting, mistic calendars, piramids alineations, and so on.

xD

hi, can you provide more information about this concept of a galactic plane and our solar system's orbit, and what i'm assuming is considered a solar plane and our planet's orbit? my curiosity is not satisfied by 2d representations of these orbits.

or can you tell me some terms i can search for? thanks.

hi, i asked you for some stuff earlier, and some quick searching turned up this information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

just wanted to share that.

just one more link, because i am so happy to have found this:

http://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-...tch-cycles

I just hope internet will be working

This is the third end of the world we're experiencing this decade.

I hope it's not the last, this "end of the world" days are a blast.

We're all absolutely fucked no question

av3k retired, the end is near...

this guy knows what hes talking about

I also recommend the book "Fingerprints of the gods" which opens you to a lot of data and questions that make you go hmmm.

Yep, the pole shifting has already begun (Av3k moving to Shootmania)

won't get very far without shoes

The world shall tremble underneath his feet, for the mighty TP is going to take revenge for being kicked from QL - He shall grab his BFG and blast the planet to Oblivion! Only leaving the QL servers and his own PC! And a connection cable. And his GF.
And then...
Oh, I just see that I've promised my friends to dive into a bar that day.
Well, I dunno, maybe next year.

It would be disappointing if nothing happens after all this hype like y2k all over again

r1ddler, what now? explain this shit homie?