3 YA and 1 RA is much armor for a duel map.

Argh, I knew it ;)
One YA will be throwed away.

i definitly like the flow of the map.
but as unikum already mentioned, there are too much armors... a small map with mh + ra doesnt need that much ya's and shards

From the screenshots it looks REALLY awesome. I will take a look when I get home and possibly have some games on it tonight. If anyone is interested on west.. #team.star ETG

Demos from those games will be much appreciated :)

No problems, although 3 YA is too much. Consider removing at least 1.

co0l map. Too much health/armor

glad to see a map where ramps actually worth a damn

i just ran around fast but there are some things that i think you should change;

There seem to be alot of hight differences and alot of small ramps, try focusing on making three floors (levels) and make big ramps instead of small ones. Also, It's fun with "murderholes" so there doesn't need to be a way out from every direction.

And as the others pointed out, too much armor.

Ok, I'll try to reduce the number of ramps.

MIA fan ?=)

Yep :)

holy shit, i thought it was just a coincidence.

*forsees "ONE FOR THE HEAD 1V1"*

Slam Galang galang galang
Ga la ga la ga la Land ga Lang ga Lang
Shotgun get you down
Get down get down get down
Ge-d Ge-d Ge-d Down G-down G-down
Too late you down D-down D-down D-down

The song with such lyrics and a "Quake" map couldn't be a coinsidence ;)

*my next map will be "inspired by" quite different song, Monsoon by ...And You Will Know Us By The Trial Od Dead (sick name for a band :P)

you've good taste ;D

hey lukin,
I really like the map and wanted to try out some different armor and item placement.

I tried a variation of layouts and tried to follow the idea of a mh, 2 ya and a red, plus all the weapons (as you had in the map)

Some ss' of what I changed

RA room
I just replaced the YA with a RA, the nailgun with a shotgun, and the shotgun with the grenade launcher.

MH and Plasma area

Over here I tried a ya and ra on the mh stand but neither seemed to work out fairly. (can go either left to right and pickup the stronger pickup rather quickly)

Railgun
Just replace the old RA replacement with the rg, reason is it's out of the way, and the player is at an immediate disadvantage (either gotta exit low, or use the jumppad, both of which can be covered somewhat easily)

RL and YA #1
Put the RL in an easy to get to area, and one that won't see much traffic so it'll be tougher to control, but it's possible. And a YA placed near the MH (under)

LG and YA #2

LG is in a somewhat vulnerable area, most likely will be a hotspot. And the YA is just placed up high, point is to make it harder for one player to run all the armors. It's possible, just won't have much time for fighting, like it should be:D.


Anyway, one thing I noticed is how easy it is to run from the mh to the ra, so to fix that I would just remove the ledge infront of the sg/ra, that way, if you were to try and do a run from the mh to ra, it would take a lot longer (if you did the ramp jump off the light) or take some health off if you were in a rush (slight rocketjump into the box, if you got the rl:) )

Just a basic layout for the weapons and armors, havn't touched healths and ammo yet. But so far it looks like a promising map and def. pretty.

How do u get an overview of your weapons? (on the left of your screenshots) :p

Q4MAX I would guess.

Thanks for suggestions. Weapons replacement should work but RA being so close to MH seems to be a bad idea. You could control both items easily camping near accel pad.
For now I dropped out one of Yellow Armors (this one close to HyperBlaster) and switched RG with RL - next beta should be out soon.

Bumping up thread 'cuse the new version of the map is ready. Download.

TO DO:
- polishing gameplay
- maybe cleaning few walls from needless textures
- fixing bugs (some sparkles, misaligned textures, etc)

CHANGELOG
Beta 3:
- removed a lot of ramps
- cut a hole below "MH ramp"
- simplified "MH ramp"
- moved some walls to improve the flow
- removed the acceleration pad
- added a ledge between the highest floor and the MH
area
- added some walls to eliminate camping spots (and to
make a whole map more balanced)
- removed YA (was in current RL location)
- removed some health packs, spawn points and armor
shards
- mixed placement of weapons and items
- brightened up the ambient light
- more, more, more ;)

The thing I dont like is the ramps below the HB, maybe remove them since there already is a way up there from the RL.

Well, without them this area would be kind of a trap - only an entrance (from RL room) and exit (to even more dangerous location with RA), no third way out. I doubt it would be a good solution.

It's just that it's a bit tricky way up and my guess is that you'll be stuck there if someone spam rockets against you wich will make everyone choose the RL way up or run back to the teleporters..

Yep. But even such dangerous way out is better then nothing. It would be too much mess with jumppad there (since it pushes up grenades), and another teleport would suck. So I think the ramps is the only possible option.

newest version is GREAT. i'd really like to see this played @ cpl winter

Nice map I love the cute little ramp to HB but thought maybe the placement of the mega health could be swaped with the yellow sheild near NG?

The idea begind MH placement is that is visible from half of the map and there are three different path to get it - but when you running trough one of them you don't see other routes. It makes the place harder to control and the gameplay is more dynamic.
Well, MH switched with YA is not a bad idea, probably the map would be even balanced better then. But, IMHO, levels balanced 100% right are boring.

It's a good idea but by the same token there are many routes of escape from MH and it's the most advantagous view point of the map, the only part you'd be blind from there is the jump pad and you could hear if someone's there? Maybe I'm wrong?

You can throw some grenades on the jumppad :)
Also, you can spam the area through the teleporter (this one behind the shotgun) .

Lukin:

I found a bug. When you spawn above the rocket launcher jumppad, facing the mega and grenade launcher, you can climb the wall by jumping. What you do is when you spawn at that spawn point, you just press jump, and youll climb the wall. Continue pressing jump, and you'll keep climbing the wall.

Thanks for an info. It's a little too late to fix it though - the map has already a final version, and it have been chosen by CAL and CB. So hopefully the bug won't destroy gameplay.

bump since this just got selected by many leagues =P

Not necessary =P
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=943947

well either way, keep up the good work of developing FRESH new maps!

the layout is nice, but it needs more health (I think there are only 4 25 health bubbles)
Also some ramps are useless
This is in the final version