looks like we have a default mod (perhaps unless osp comes along)

the orginal q4max seemed a bit buggy, hopefully with the new team behind it everything will be fixed

yeah fucken a q4max needs to hang the gloves up

I suggest you devs from Q4MAX spend less time on chatting and posting on forums.

what ?? 100% work 0% free time 0% customer care? :((

I was not trying to be offensive, but you guys must do better than the XBattle, if you have the pedigree.

Hey TimFortress, i can't reply by imsg cause it bloked :-/

what do you mean by saying new devices?

Offtopic:
:D I didn't block you.

How do you like your new mouse, headphones etc.. ?

I didn't get them. For whining to Sujoy (that's not only reason) i'm on probation now and i can't even msg him... Dunno what i have to do now. Could you help me in this case plz ?

wtf? probation?
I don't get what is going on.. Sujoy doesn't send you the stuff you've won?

How could I help you here? :\

If you have Arqon then you should call it OSP as it has pedigree that people know and trust.

They have a better name: MAXimum.. of what?

... of making you post here!

Hemosick I <3 you, but this time it isn't funny :\

maximum as in maximum potential prolly?

But it isn't OSP so that would be stupid

If they should call it anything, it should be CPM. I do hope they take the road OSP did, and not make any radical changes to the game like CPM did.

Well, I wouldn't be hurt if they include doublejumps and enable fluid jumping upstairs. For the time being, though, I think they will wait what Ravensoft will do with the first patches, before physics are altered.

If changes there be, votable they shall be (think osp modes)

here's an idea. how about xbattle and q4max merge! then everybody wins!!

It's easier to split an atom than ego.

that is great :D

how so? It's bad English at most. No, actually I can see it now, in a sad kind of way =p

thats rich

I NEVER EVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD [+] YOU BUT THAT COMMENTS IS TEH WIN SO [+] SO TRUE!!111

At least mankind can do the nuclear fission ;-)

You could say nuclear fusion is an easier goal than both teams merging, but I don't want to take your glory moment here..

q4battlemax ftw

Will be hard for the xbattle team to beat arQon & Swelt, looks like first place for maps and netcode is already decided :>

i'm waiting for q4max to be open-source under creative commons then.

Yep, that was a big factor in my decision to join them, and it was for hemostick too. They'd already said they were in favour of the Commons and would support it, whereas the X-Battle guys have been trying hard to pretend that thread doesn't exist.

Note zr0's comment in the full newspost on the Q4MAX site:
We also hope to create a platform by which other developers for gametype modes such as Clan Arena or Instagib can use our work as a starting point for their own quality mods for Q4.

very professional, got to say u are a very good person for the scene, way to go man :)

good to know. thanks.

i loved cpma but reading this creative commons article made me wonder why u never offered the mvd and multiview stuff under that license. would have liked to see urban terror and other mods having mvds and multiview.

I think this had to do with the way the mods were initially coded. Even OSP couldn't get MVD because a considerable part of the original code had to be rewritten to achieve this, thus making it more logical to just use CPM if you want MVD's. :-P

No. OSP didn't get MVDs because they weren't compatible with OSP's (that's baseQ3's basically) sound system. The problem was that you were hearing the other player's sounds IIRC. OSP players didn't want to move to CPMA's sound system so they couldn't get MVDs.

So how does that refute what I had said?

It doesn't have to do with code. It's not as if it was a programming problem the devs couldn't overcome. It has to do with a setting the players didn't like.

If it had come to me to choose, I would have taken the MVD with the change of how the sound works any day over not having MVD and keeping the sound system. But I know that if there is a change in the sound system people will basically bitch about it, and I think there is where the developers felt like they didn't want to waste time "discussing" it.

why not let the coders figure out how to make it a part of their mod? nothing the original author (arqon) needs to worry about

Even when I can escape from work long enough to get the site up and running people STILL wont release code under the creative commons license there as the CC license isnt meant for code. But we will be creating a license that is.

Thats awesome. Thanks.

The Steamfish updater is also very nice, I love it :-)

Next versions of Q4MAX will also include bots for offline practice and from what I read on the Internet LOTS of people are waiting for that.

true that.

Yay CPMA huds.

http://q4max.fnatic.com/art/screenshots/screenshot003.jpg

The idea of steamfish is really great - it solves one of the big problems of needing the exact same files as the servers. Will work wonders for the distribution of maps as well.

seems like they changed the somewhat weird "aura" skins. also yellow and white was gay. now they have green and yellow it looks like they are following xbattle in that. now the two mods are almost equal. too bad their egos are too big to merge.

q4max had green in the beginning already ? :)

ok let it be green and white doesnt change what i wrote... sigh..

it was green and yellow from the beginning :)

amazing team

oops a demo issue already. i'm presuming q4max can't play x-battle demos either and vice versa?

all the mods have that yeah, you need to guess what mod the demo will be using. or else trial and error ;)

Great news! Hope this team can make q4 into what it should have been from the first place. Oh, and in my opinion the name q4max sounds a bit off target. Any chance the team will consider to change it into a more 'appropriate' name?

And what would you consider 'appropriate'?

STEAMFISH! :D:D

i'm all for this mod now

data not in sync ! nh

You have to delete the old folder before installing the new q4max.

arqon + swelt = q4 might actually be worth playing

good one q4max for the win pls.

xbattle 488 servers > q4max 98 servers


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not for long ;o

Just my 0.02 singapore dollar but I'm certainly paying this a lot more interest than the Battlemod due to the people involved. That said I echo the thoughts of a previous poster who hopes they don't go all CPMazy on the game.

Well they can have cpma 0 or 1. :) One mod instead of two like in q3.

The lead developer thinks that Q4 is a POS game so I'm assuming he wants to do lots of changes to the gameplay.

I'm cheering for the winner though! GO #1!

i don't know if you've noticed, but q4 IS a POS ;p

that doesn't mean, however, that arqon is going to subject the community to his whims. i'm pretty sure he knows what this mod should and should not be.

Let's hope so, because it was an arrogant type of attitude that meant CPM never came close to realising the goals it had when initially conceived, even if it did make great strides later in life.

How so? The goals *I* had for CPMA were simple: make a game that a certain type of player (including myself) enjoyed more than VQ3, and provide the best possible environment (mod technology and features, AND maps) to play it in.

We clearly succeeded in every one of them. CPM players still love the game; our technology and featureset led EVERY Q3 mod, and still runs more than half the world's Q3 servers through our sharing it with OSP; and even the VQ3 players (and the CPL) adopted some of our maps rather than the other way around.
Of course I'd have been delighted if CPM had Taken Over The World, but I'm hardly heartbroken that it didn't, any more than Q3 players are upset about VQ3 not having the playerbase of CS.

On top of that, we raised awareness of "gameplay as a concept" and challenged the notion that we as players HAD to eat whatever the companies fed us no matter how bad it was. Even just on ESR you can see the impact that's had, with players being far more willing to question and discuss "vanilla" gameplay than they were 5 years ago.
ProModes have become a standard project for every new FPS, all the way up to the CPL using one for the World Tour. PK++ may not be anything like as radical in its changes as CPMA, but just a few years ago the idea of changing even the tiniest aspect of the gameplay "handed down from on high" would have got you stoned to death for heresy.

Personally, I'd say we did pretty damn well. :)

I think most people are not aware of the influence CPMA had ;-)

it's true. i still love cpma. nowhere do u get so much fun! arQon <3

duel? =D

sure! :)

cpma.mine.nu plz

With that said, are there any plans on changing the gameplay of q4, or is the goal to strictly add other features?

I don't see any "gameplay design" labels for the people involved in the team, therefore I would guess that no changes are planned.

Ironically, the greatest obstacle of cpm ever truly getting popular was the arrogant name itself. I mean... come on... "PRO"-mode is just like waving a red cloth. You feel kinda stupid asking someone in irc for 1v1 in PROmode. And yes, I know the name was actually carmack's but that certainly shouldn't have prevented you of finding a less arrogant name.

I actually wrote off cpm around 0.9 or whenever, just because of the name. It wasn't until 1.31 that I gave it a decent shot and absolutely loved it...and still do. Just too bad about the stupid name.

1on1 CPMA? :P

"I'm pretty sure he knows what this mod should and should not be"

What this mod should be according to who?

um, the community?

he's not an idiot. there's a big difference between osp and cpma.
osp is a competition version of quake, and cpma is a mod in every sense of the word.

This is not OSP. And afaik Arqon was mostly involved with CPM?

But OK, Arqon will not change the gameplay because hes not an idiot? Kinda harsh. I would just settle with a statement about what direction this mod will take, same as OSP or CPM.

my biggest worry is that they will churn out cpm style maps, I really hope they can produce some great tactical maps ala q3dm6 / ztn. I am so not interested in the random, maze style gameplay of most cmp maps

i think you got that kinda wrong. those style maps takes ALOT of skill: prediction, quick decisions, quick reactions, tactics. just because you don't have oodles of time to devise tactics on them doesn't mean they aren't very tactical.

man i suck at getting my point across in the morning :(

Lol, it's 12:41.
But that's gamer morning I understand.

My bad, my post was worded kind of badly

I didn't really mean that those type of maps lacked tactical depth, I know they do take skill/tactics etc - I just don't enjoy the kind of tactics that they require.

The main thing I wanted to get across was about the map layout of cpm maps vs, for example, a map like ztn - just completely different map styles that each create different types of gameplay, and I just personally much prefer a q3dm6 style map that isnt..so..maze like...with teleporters and holes everywhere :)

You continue to want maps that are 50% rail, 35% shaft, and 15% item timing? :D

I like everything in CPMA apart from air control. I just hope the game doesn't go in that direction of gameplay in terms of main competition. Still all the extras are top!

callvote gameplay cq3

been there done it

the air control in cpma was what made it stand out.....if u spent more than a few games getting used to it (took me about a month) it was very rewarding. cpma seemed to be the kind of mod every osp player liked to slag without having spent anytime playing it.

quote: omg turn this promode shit off.....

used to hear that all too often on server, this included myself for quite some time, but i eventually gave in and spent some time getting my movement to a capable level. after that i didnt really look back. admitedly i mostly played junkfood clanarena. but having spent the time getting to know the movement, the possibilties and fluidity of gameplay it provided. its hard to go back to clomping around on vq3.

it certainly still feels like ive had my senses restored when i get back onto a pm 1 server.

cpma movement was/is like an olive : definately an acquired taste :P

It's because what you are used to feels right. You can't be in the zone or perform at your max when things are different. RTS players experience the same thing every patch, it feels weird because it's unfamiliar but once you have your strats and moves down then it gets that special feeling back. People just need to realise this about themselves: what you are used to does feel better right now, to experience other things properly takes time.

It isn't about not giving the movement a chance some people just don't like air control just like some people like instant weapon switch times and others prefer long weapon switch times.

ye its all about the aircontrol. its way to unrealistic. when I see someone jumping I want to know where he will likely land like in ballistics. I dont want him to jump in right angles. fast movement is good but not this zickzack movement. wheres the prediction there? I also dont like those cpma maps which are all so vertical orientated. teles everywhere. in out in out. thats way too hectic. I hope q4max wont change the gameplay too much else 90% will be playing xbattle...

What?

quake movement isnt exactly realistic but i see your point it is alot harder to hit mid air if some 1 is dodging around

the air control in cpma was what made it stand out.....if u spent more than a few games getting used to it (took me about a month)

See that's what pisses me off, people think I played it once or twice and gave up.

cpma movement was/is like an olive : definately an acquired taste :P

Very true, however some elitists just don't understand that and blab on about how you don't like change, and are too naive to accept change and all the other junk.

Don't remember ever seeing you on a server, what nick did you play with? :P

Think I was Aza in promode, can't remember. Played a few TDM games with SZM granted a newbie team at the time but I dislike TDM in any game.

I played a lot of duels vs kah0ona, when first starting off, few publics here and there but mainly shit loads vs him and others. I put a over a solid six months into it and I still play the odd game. When was NTF realsed? I was playing before that for a good while and after. Then stopped.

Was a discussed point earlier, but now it's pretty clear that it won't be a problem. Gameplay changes should now be in separate game modes so you'll still play vanilla q4max by default instead of q4maxpromode (same as with osp). With voteable options etc.

Q4MATTEL sponsored by barbie

seems like this has more potential than x-battle.

clanbase rethink their stance? :>

once SDK is out q4max > x-battle tbh

- removed forcemodels

Does this mean that you can't force your enemy model any more?
If so why would they remove that?

You didn't really have choice before, it was more of a workaround that essentially hardcoded a shorter list of allowed skins :)

I don't get it. Arqon and blowfish advertised all over this post in an attempt to take away the attention from x-battle. Surely they need the SDK to do something first? That's cheap.

PS. What about the Creative Commons license?

For more advanced features, yes.

Advertised all over?? Don't post bullshit.

I think hes getting at this -

and with it the official development team which has vast prior experience in mod creation:

..and then the listing of the 'allstar' mod team. This mod hasnt done anything spectacular, if they hadnt of mentioned who had joined the team then the comments wouldnt be like this. I dont disagree with this though, its every mod for itself here :P

They also advertise the fact theyre all for the creative commons license,so where is it?

It is simple, tournament organisations as well as the community want stability. By announcing the team, we are basically saying, "HEY were here to stay, and will be bringing you a quality mod."

That's one way of putting it. The other way is that both mods are exactly on the same level so you play tne names card to draw attention to your mod, even though those names haven't done anything spetacular yet.

Its the way it is, as simple as that, read into it as you will, but your wrong.

To my knowledge, the person who is running the CC isn't part of the q4max team - and he (newborn) is still setting up the website.

me wanna cookie??

no.

[-]

As project manager, what do you do zr0? Find this interesting, (no dig intended). Do you come up with a general idea or kind of "ok" the teams ideas or that type of thing?

HE COLLECTS

He has people skills god damnit!

I simply help everything come together, from website, to design, to code to testing servers, to beta testers, and sometimes, i just stand around and look pretty :)

Don't forget to mention you're in for the ladies :p

He's the Cliffy B of Q4MAX.

the new team plus the fact that this mod will probably be used at cpl = the best thing that could possibly happen to quake 4.

OMFG STACKED TEAMS REPICK

Wow, i dont have 7 fps in menu anymore, but... i dont like idea of changing menu graphics anyway...

X-Battle hud > Q4MAX hud
Q4MAX brightskins > X-Battle brightskins

Oh, and change mod name please :P.

linuxversion of steamfish?

CB and GGL should definatly rethink theyr stance!
This dev team looks good, so i expect some amazing work from it when the SDK gets released...

go arqon!

Why the hell not scrap the orange/yellow and green colors and go for blue and red?

Look at the coloring of the maps and you know why.

would be nice to choose the colors of ennemy brightskins (like in utcomp for ut2k4)

s d k

I'm extremely glad that finally someone discovered that orange and green are the colors which offer the best visibility. I always thought blue/red was a very bad decission. Good for Raven.

Good for raven?
You dont mean to say that these mods are made by raven i hope :P

He is saying "good for Raven" for changing RED/BLUE to GREEN/ORANGE :)

For all those gus who are having problems with q4max. You have to delete the old q4max folder and just extracted the zip in your quake 4 folder or run the steamfish executable. I recommand you not to delete your quake4config.cfg, your autoexec.cfg and perhaps your server.cfg.

Same thing for the server: Delete the old q4max folder and upload the contents of the new zip file in a q4max folder on your server. Then place your server.cfg in the folder and restart the server.

That's as close to an All-Star mod team as you can get...

arQon
Blowfish
Swelt
Michael Jordan
Preatorian
Hemostick
Alba
zr0

?

space jam!

we're still in discussion with bugs bunny about joining

Haha, someone who can do "bunnyjumping" in the truest sense of the word - but wait, isn't that a CS term?!

what if he'd rename to "bugs rocketjump"

didn't see that one coming now did you

Gooseman!

rhea =)

namechange to osp :)

nice, i can see this mod being the new OSP

The competition between the mods is an already decided battle. :)

Added dl links at http://www.q4.jolt.co.uk/index.php?page=downl...amp;id=655

With such a small community you should eat your egoes and merge with X-Battle dev team. This is pretty bad because almost everyone assumed X-Battle was gonna be the default mod and, even being better atm, this dev team announcement just makes people think this is going to get better because it has arqon and it has swelt (and I agree with that, but I feel bad for the X-Battle team because they are likely to be "beaten" without being able to prove which mod is better).

Now we are again like 3 weeks ago where no one knew which mod was gonna be the osp of q4.

Anyways I think a cpm15 remix with few changes would do very well in Q4 *hint* and, please, change that name :P

quite sure that cb wont change mod for this season of the cups though, as its bound to begin soon?

Higher fov plz :(

[+] because of hemostick

:D

vanilla q4 ftw

- Demos recorded with q4base cannot be played back in Q4MAX
doesn't work for me:/

Ok, fine then.
Try re-reading the sentence, it may work.

Somebody make a poll!

.. and start a mod community war? No, thanks.

Start? It is already raging :(

Q4max will own, and it will hopefully be a nice platform for future cpm style editions xD
=)

But the interesting question here would be if there will be any changes to the Q4 physics. Personally I believe what we've discovered in Q4 so far isnt enough to make it the game it can be, but altering it in a way CPM was for VQ3 would be overkill here (assuming the mod is supposed to fix what Raven didnt).

I would have hoped for atleast physics changes which would cause more air battles for instance, and the possibility to 'double jump' like you could in Q2.

I would be much more confortable with the "Saturn's second largest satelite" and the OSPs in the name list :), you can never be safe enough. But all in all, like many people said, names may sell the product, but the quality and listening to the community is what counts.

That being said, X-battle for Q3 was quite on par with OSP in my eyes, so we have two great mods comming to us.

Good luck to both teams.

True, but afaik Rhea went inactive in terms of modding. Not sure, perhaps anyone can confirm that?

you are too naive to understand cpm movement.

Good to see arqon on the team!

Its a nice release, although i think i may have encountered a bug? Playing pickup with a server that has this mod on and the sounds are all messed up, cant hear pickup sounds, weapon fire, and a whole lot more.

Suggestion : Give options for the orientation of the weapon/ammo list which is currently on the left. Would really love it if it were able to be placed like this

http://www.fojji.se/img/cfg.jpg (sorry for taking your bandwidth whoever's screenshot this is !)

Thats fox's website. The hoster appears to have unlimited traffic, so I think you're excused ;)

It already is. :)

I'll write up a quick note explaining how when I get a chance.

Sound bugs happen regardless of the mod :|

Well not these sound bugs, i personally first encountered them with my first time on the new Q4max mod, the only sound bug i got Post Q4max was the one where sound would lag and repeat itself sometimes, this is totally different.
Granted it could have been the server or my computer acting up all of a sudden, i was just pointing out my experience with it.
To d00med, my computer doesnt support OpenAL anyway :P

Good to hear arqon :) hurrah.

I had the same problem.

The first time you fire up a mod, if you were using OpenAL, it switches back to default. You just have to change it back to OpenAL and the sounds should be ok again, worked for me.

Another thing I noticed is that your resolution/detail level gets changed too, whenever I first fire up a mods new release my res always switches to 800x600 high quality (I use 1024x768 low quality).

This happens when you first fire up Xbattle as well, so it is not a q4max thing. Not sure if any other settings are changed..

personal note, I really hate the q4max hud, I want my timer back where it is at default :)

i couldnt test q4max vs other players, but the q4max weaponbar btw hud is better than in xbattle.

What do others think about the idea of being able to drop weapons and ammo? It would make an interesting addition for teamplay imo. Perhaps even drop powerups. (Armor/health would be overkill)

oooh.... gameplay changes... controversial. Weapon dropping in CPMA TDM was great tho... really adds to the teamplay and stops ppl whining so much about 30s weapon respawn =]

It was possible in Q2 too, but I believe it will be a positive addition compared to Q3 OSP which didnt have it. Personally I believe it would add more depth to be able to drop items for newly spawned players than guarding an item shouting "item here".

OSP had it, but as with all gameplay changes it was an option rather than the default, so it didn't get much use in there.

I didnt know that actually. Too bad it wasnt enabled in competitions

Actually in the freezetag tournaments it was used quite frequently (by the ones that knew about it :P)

Dropping weapons is essential imo, add it ! :D

I actually thought for some reason that weapon dropping was going to be in q4.

There are good arguements for and against weapon dropping, but i'm personally for weapon dropping strictly for the increased teamwork it can create.

I'm the opposite \o/. I have to agree though that neither is better/worse depends on the whole game as a whole. In a fast paced game drop weapon is certainly better but in vq3 I never found myself in trouble without a weapon.(probably because MG is powerful)

a tip for the king of mods, let us decide.
so if we wanna add doublejumps "callvote dbjump 1" "callvote aircontrol 1"
"callvote Selfdamage 0".
and so on.
if there is many option ppl will like it couse if you can change settings there will always be variation.
and there will not be whine about doublejumps or not.

like cpma with callvote gameplay osp, yet nobody plays it :)

but I'm all for that ;D

what are we actually looking at here, your bog standard typical OSP styled mod? I mean, is this just gonna be exactly the same styled physics as vQ4 just soupped up to run at a faster pace?

Hi, from behind my university connection for some reason i cant get on club fanatic website, is it hosted anywhere else or can someone up load it ?

Thanks in advance just in case

[NK]Poom.