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1 light looks brighter than 2 lights? and it loads with SP physics here, but good fps though

Same as Levi. I want to try this asap. This could be IT!

Edit:

Ok i tried them now. The 1 light version looks better than the 2L one.
2 lights look too weird. dm3 loads all dark. I tried changing lightscale and singlelight - nothing happens. And it loads in SP mode, any idea why?
Anyway gj, q4max should include all maps with single light in the next version.

Why do people use rapidshare?

why not

what else should i use ?? i have no own webspace right now.
i dont know why it loads as SP, did u create a server ? devmap and map commands load sp physics.
if it doesnt show up in the create server menu und tourney maps then do this in the console :

si_map "mp/q4a"
si_pure "0"
spawnserver

or when u load map and have SP-physics do :

pm_speed 320


PLEASE USE DEFAULT CFG if its all dark
some tweaks really fuck up the lighting, lightscale and singlelight cant work because there is only one light that spans the whole map.

r_lightdetaillevel
r_simpleinteraction

etc. should be default

how is the performance with the 2 lights version compared to one light ? how it looks can be tweaked so i just wanna know if the high-pc`s can handle it or not

Ok, dm3 worked with a cvar_reset. Maybe a little more light would be nice. Otherwise it play smooh.
q4a since it looks better, and obviously has better performance it is clearly the one to choose.
I even think this will solve lag issues many people are having, since hopefully the game doesnt need to send so many information about light and shadows.

FileFront is a good site to upload files also.

Great Stuff :)
My comp is :
P4 2ghz 256 ram gf4ti 64mb
Usuali in q4dm1v1 i have 20-30 fps with downloaded map q4a i had everywhere MAX fps in q4b i had 50-60 fps, but i think q4a looks much betther than q4b anyway this stuf shoud be included SOMWEHERE plz make map in mp i will put it to server

send me the files and i can host them on my webspace for you

never mind i got through to rapidshare. mirrors:
http://www.jabb0r.net/singlelightmap.zip
http://www.jabb0r.net/dm3sl.pk4

ye im gonna put them on ours too

thx guys

more conversions are comming.
i think about removing the powerup in dm2 where i am just at it

but i really would like to know what performance is with 2 lights, because its mor work to tweak that right and it gives an option to have have not so ugly maps when you want it.

dr4ch the main problem is that we can't play this maps in normal mp only in sp mode and can't put it on server maplist

The q4a map in on maplist in Tourney when i make a server...

sweet :)
GJ!

do this to all the maps and make a 'performance' map pack..

Agreed, although it might be a problem with the people who actually want a pretty fully lighted map (not me !) and it might be troublesome with custom maps as someone will have to seek permission to edit them like the above maps.
Nice one dr4ch

Again, RAVEN need to be doing this, the RIGHT way, instead of people hacking up maps (especially since Q4's brokenness means they can't even be autodownload ATM).
Proof of concept is good, and wp for doing it, but that's where it stops being useful because next comes the bickering over dm11 vs 4a vs 4b, and let's not even get started about custom maps.

r_maxWorldInteractions - how fucking hard is that? Every PPL engine ever has one, BECAUSE it lets you scale the engine easily, and yet it's missing from Q4. gg.

As I've said before, get off your arses and tell RAVEN you want stuff like this: ESR is good for discussing it but won't make anything HAPPEN. Raven devs who are sitting there with SLI GF9s on their desks and think 15fps is fine for online play aren't going to suddenly wake up and improve the engine just on a whim.

you've got a point, but if raven do nothing, i'd encourage you to do something like this. fps-tweaked versions of all the maps in a competition mod...only because you guys have the clout to get your mods widely accepted.

No, if Raven do nothing even NOW when they can actually sell more copies of the game by fixing it, then we know exactly how much support we're going to get from them in the future too, and Q4 can die young just like Doom3 and PK did.

design@ravensoft.com

Direct all emails here.

well then you could all go port a qw-type game like warsow into Unreal Engine 3.0 and save deathmatch. Since those guys literally make the UT games for modders :)

phrantic runs fine on an average system, you dont need butt ugly unlit maps to get decent fps.

Say i were to go and post on their forums and give them an email (if i could find it), what would i say? I honestly know anything about the technical aspects of this but id be willing to go spam some if i knew what to say. I mean i cant simply go talking to them about these random commands, i dont think theyd know what i wanted exactly.

Does anybody know what to say exactly? if so post it here and i will gladly go and post it up on their forums for you.

Why cant the maps be like this on default :(

screens?

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/1998/shot000081ib.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6123/shot000099wi.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6287/shot000122fd.jpg
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/1717/shot000143lk.jpg
http://img494.imageshack.us/img494/321/shot000153wd.jpg

GREAT stuff :)
we already tried it on server works GREAT max fps super ! :) plz edge more :) and it well be super duper :D

q4b both had better performance and better looks .

As stated previously , there should be a map pack released with this kind of light system on all the maps, if raven gets pissed off, then fuck em i say :P

But i also think that these maps should have better item placement(mostly the 1on1 maps), but this is a very very very sensitive subject, could have been playtested and argumentet by objective pro players, not just 1 , but several . Then release the map pack and everyone just shut up .
Only way i see it =)

On these maps i could have run a maxfps at 125 and never dipped below, great ! i had like 180-210 when looking into the middle arena on my own server.

Here is the map-pack with singlelight versions of all dm maps :

http://rapidshare.de/files/6982607/fps-mappack.pk4.html

!!! ATTENTION THIS IS UNTESTED !!!

but i thought you guys want it so badly i release as it is for now and fix the rest tomorrow

EDIT : wrong link *g* sorry gf is rushing me ;)

Thats very nice. I made a similar timedemo on the normal q4dm7 and your version. In the normal version i get around 77fps and yours 200fps ;) . Why not all use these maps instead, so we wont have to upgrade :)

thx mate, this maps can really make mp enjoyable for everyone. i think organizations like cb should adopt them as soon as possible

nice maps.
plz make ctf maps if u can.

http://www.roflpantoffel.nl/uploadedimages/lostfleet.JPG

lostfleet doesnt really work..

hahaha u hax0r :P fuck raven people we got the quake community :P

Someone explain what this light thing does?

Does it take out all the real time lighting shit taht gives us shit FPS and puts just one ENV_Light like HL engine or something?

yes, that's the impression i get.

wow no more lagging for me thank you VERY much

thanks alot. max fps solid with ati radeon 9200 128mb gfx card.

Great job MAX FPS ! urey :), i tried all maps in server allmost all works fine exept dm3 couse me and other ppl it gets totaly black, we tried cvar_reset it doesn't help maybe u can fix it :> anyway BIG THANKS it heled me a lot especialy when i have gf4 :>

*update* this map pack soon will be in q4.esports.lt

Isn't there an issue with editing maps without the authors consent? Might be wrong, but I thought that was an issue when I looked into it in Q3.

Uber fast.

While the idea of using editted maps with a single light is not practical, it does provoke an interesting thought: I wonder if it would be possible to remove all the light entities in the map and replace with a single fullbright ambient light defined in a config at _mod_ level.

Q3 CPMA includes a function to load in a different set of entities (that's weapons, spawns etc) from a cfg file. Since Q4 lights are dynamic, it might be possible to do something similar with the light entities (remove all, add one or two in pre-defined locations).

hmm, that could be interesting @swelt

damn i love the new maps :)

good morning everyone, thx for your feedback there are good ideas there.

@ arQon : I think confronting raven with the popularity of such ugly maps should be enough for them to see what is really wanted.but i doubt they will ever change that.
you are right about the multpile map-versions but i must say that for me it was more of a research then a release to see how many lights can be used without losing much performance.
...and what is a PPL engine ?

@Belial+rasis : thx, you are the first ones to tell me what i wanted to know, I just wonder why q4b has more performance over q4a for belial, on my rig it goes under 63 fps with 2 lights sometimes

@ Swelt : That was a good idea, it pointed me to some sort of solution that would work without mod and without altering the default maps to much.
As the lights have a LOD (r_lightdetail) i could tweak them so at lowest lightdetail there is only the ambientlight.like that you still have the full quality of the originals ( I really had a bad feeling removing a mans hard work from the maps) but can use an unlocked command to set it to your liking.
cfg files for that would be surely awesome.

@all : this release is not final its a test, it is not meant to be used for spreading around because i would prefer some way where there is still an option to not have uber-ugly maps.
I `ll try to make it possible to have singlelight with the r_lightdetail command.
I would make the ctf maps too but i prefer to find a better solution first
and they are much more work then the dm-maps.

so stay tuned for future versions

lmao@raven

p.d. dr4ch plz put the updates in the main post :)

Edit: Nvm, I finally got in the queue

dr4ch, these maps are great for the fps. on high settings i get max fps, so :)

the r_lightleveldetail command is not locked in mp, but on stock maps it is useless. the default value is 9. setting it to 10 did nothing for me and anything above 10 (10.1+) makes everything black. with some good map editing, it could be very very usefull tho.

anyhow, keep up the good work.

wow excellent

feels like playing quake again without all those lights, and the jumppads look a lot nicer. more playable as the fps seems very stable.

IMHO this should be majored.

would be nice if you guys with the servers would post this around so ppl will know where they can play these map

damn right !

cant wait for ctf maps!

another mirror: http://www.asterope.org/quake/fps-mappack.pk4