>_<

bl

mfg

the world tour curse begins

it begun when they selected pk

Thats not good, but then theres nothing you can do about nature :<

Of course there is, the monkey over in the US needs to reorganize his industry. I've hate to say it, but the climate incidens are now visible even for the most supid person.

What?

Do you Bush or do you Kioto?

I dunno, he's pretty ugly.

ok, ok, but for no less than £50

bleh.

Nice start for the World Tour. Gotta feel for the guys who have made all these plans to go - all for it to be postponed :((

nm CPL, always Spain \o/

If it snows in Barcelona/Madrid, I'll eat my own shit

it snowed yesterday here, and im 40km away from madrid :P

But not in Madrid, it's being a hot winter in there :P

It's always SCORCHIO in Spain :)

"oh! SCORCHIO!"

"oh! SCORCHIO!"

"oh! SCORCHIO!"

"oh! SCORCHIO!"

hf eating your own shit.

Damnit :<

*shakes fist at weather*

i bet al-qaida is behind all this!

even Mother Nature doesnt like the CPL!

even mother nature preffers q3 than pk :P

Or at least UT2004...

xDD true

gg cpl

!!!

Note to self: no need for more voodoo ingredients.

omg karmak learned some black magic!

cold turkey for angel munoz !

=)

obviously the airports arnt even closed..............

lol (well, yeah it's been snowing here in istanbul for the past few days)

Heavy snowfall
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.ph...ewsid=5330

Plane slides off runway/airport closed
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=36982

yesterday's news.
According to some turkeys airplane sites most of the scheduled flights did continue. Some delayed or some late. But most of them arrived. Only a few was cancelled Yesterday

http://www.ataturkairport.com/en/indexframe.html
http://www.dhmiata.gov.tr/arr.asp

LOL, they call _that_ heavy snowfall?

In sweden the aeroplanes don't have wheels... they have skis instead :o

hehe :D

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lotsa bl

i heard fnatic team is already there aswell as fatal1ty and zen... anymore players in turkey yet? and how did they get there, if the airport is closed?

well hmmm, what a mystery, maybe they went BEFORE the airport got closed.

the truth is out there o_0

According to comments @ SK-G the airport is not closed after all.

mabye, if the airport was closed only for some hours, you don't have to postpone a whole event?

maybe CPL works in eSports business, not in a control tower ?

maybe you are just naive. and it was absolutely unnecessary to postpone this event because of the weather and the cpl is not the type of company that admits mistakes?

that would have been some nifty move, indeed...

hehe

maybe they came earlier

lawl, who cares its only turkey \o/

People who paid money care, I am sure.

Well like Daler said, progaming isn't about fun anyways =).

and this isn't fun? : )

:D

oh dear.
what are the cpl going to offer those who are already there by way of compensation? the onus is on them to provide accomodation or financial help at least.

deary me, i almost feel sorry for the cpl. whatever next!

The airport is not closed, all planes are landing, all fnatic players are there as of about 1 hour ago, as well as sakh, dkt, tempus, zen, fatality, lexer, as well as others.

The hotel is 5 minutes away from the airport, the hotel says everything is fine, there are obviously other reasons?

to back you up:

http://www.ataturkairport.com/en/indexframe.html
http://www.dhmiata.gov.tr/arr.asp

man thats fast, i just saw dkt like 18 hours ago :o

Actually it seems tempus lied to me :)

It's mother nature getting back at the CPL for choosing PK, I'm sure of it.

lol? George ? care to reply to #33

How many other WT stops is going to be cancelled?

who ever said it's gonna be cancelled ? Sigh.

lol...

rofl.

they should be happy because of this, actually they should postpone whole WT until that messy and buggy shit called PK gets patched ;-))

Mother nature against PK or the work some weather shaman hired by UT/Q3 players? *LOL*
The players that already there can at least take advantage of the downtime and play with each other since the equipment is alrdy there.

Taken from our forums:

"The fatal1ty team (4) of us has been in instanbul for 3 days now.. and it really is bad here.. the weather isn't actually THAT bad in comparison to many places.. it seems that the people just aren't equiped to take care of it because snow like this must be very rare.. people crashing all over the place, everything closed its pretty crazy here"

The airport was closed and many flights were being re-directed to other airports. Now flights are just being delayed.

Even a soccer game on Friday in Turkey has been cancelled because of this:

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=37031

Moving forward, just look for an update soon before jumping to conclusions.

Surely you've been at this long enough to realize that people don't care about facts...jumping to conclusions is the entire point of having comments.

when was friday?

According to my psychic, it's in three days.

:<

classic

Well, if you're speaking with airlines for real why don't you quote them instead of a forum post and a past week's news item.

smelly :[

Hehe, sad but true :)

As of what i know, soccer is played outdoors. And obviously painkiller is aswell, since wc3 and cs is on.

the rest of the games are not cancelled? I've read they're :?

Another post from YOUR forums:

i would like to inform you about the conditions here. first of all the airport was closed only for 1 day ( the snow was not the only reason, a plane ran out of the runway and caused damage as well). but the airport is working 100% and flights are going in and out at the moment. the only reason for delays of the flights now is the closing of airport on sunday. there are flights being made with delays of 7-8 hours but thats because flights accumulated and they have made the regular schedule by now. There will be some delays as well today but from tomorrow no delays and problems are expected by THY officials.
There is NO PROBLAM with the city transformation, all the main roads are open and city busses are working 150%. there are additional lines working and nowadays you can travel from one side to istanbul only in 20 minutes without a problem. the second thing which is really interesting is that all the flights planned to land on Ataturk Airport are diverted to Sabiha Gokcen Airport which is on the other side of Istanbul. And this airport is very new with the highest technology and it is WORKING smoothly. i dont understand why the organization postponed the event but simply didnt arrange a shuttle from sabiha gokcen airport to the airport hotel. because i am sorry guys but probably your flights, which you wont take because the event is postponed, will land either on Ataturk airport or Sabiha Gokcen airport and it is pretty easy to get to your hotel from each location. i dont find the reasoning behind the postponing of the event satisfying since it looks like there is no problem at all here. another thing is does anyone think about how people go and leave the scandinavian or russian airports? moscow airport is under snow 5 months a year and pilots are landing on ice but the airport does function. very suspicious decision by cpl. they should inform you better and give details i guess..
at this point i need to clarify something. last year we had a snow crisis similar to this one but the city management was completely unaware and not prepared for it so there was chaos in Istanbul for 2 days but they learned their lesson and they were fully prepared this time and every public institution is working except schools(since they were on winter break, they simply extended it)
and i wonder there were many people from the local organization replying and cheering about the event like "oh it will be so cool, just chill and stay tuned" and bla bla.. but i cant find any replies from them on the most replied and important topic of the world tour turkey stop.

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Don't know who's right though, but I thought it isn't right to let you point out the statements that actually justify your decision, but leave the other statements....

wtf?.. why did'nt u say u guys were playing outside.

atleast the guys who are already at Turkey got something:

[15:51:24] <CPL|George> if you want to participate in a $20k qualifier
[15:51:29] <TsN|Liuokin> alright guys
[15:51:29] <CPL|George> leave for turkey now

The CPL announced earlier today that the launch of the $1,000,000 CPL World Tour that was to occur with the first Stop in Istanbul, Turkey from February 10 to February 13 has been postponed due to inclement weather.

However, Intel has agreed to sponsor an official $20,000 Painkiller World Tour Spain Qualifier for those players who are already on site or who have non-refundable flight tickets and wish to travel to Turkey despite the harsh weather conditions.

To minimize travel risks for the attendees, the qualifier will be held at the Radisson SAS Hotel this Friday, February 10, and not at the CNR EXPO as previously planned.

Rescheduled dates for the $50,000 World Tour Stop in Istanbul, Turkey will be announced later today. Competitors already qualified for the Turkey Stop will remain qualified despite the schedule change.

No no, this is not mother nature but obviously caused by CXG!!

mother nature seems to be an ut or q3 fan

Or CPL's savior, who knows...

oh you think so :)? I see no reason why CPL should have anothe reason to postpone the event

I think a lot of stuff :P Hopefully media is flying to Turkey and we'll know the real reason...

I cant find any reason :) if there is or will be one, just tell me :D

Well you need a venue, a working lan with a ton of rented/sponsored computers, staff and of course a big bag full of money for the prizes in order to make the competition happen so go figure...

Just for the record I have no idea about what's going on at Turkey appart from the fact that people arrived yesterday and is arriving today to Istanbul by plane.

for sure but notice that also a football game has been cancelled. And even if it possible to land, it would be better to make everything as save as possible.

Just remember the airplane at Afghanistan some days ago that couldn't reach an airport early enough.

Agree, people security first but if the airport is open and planes are landing it has to be secure enough...and well, you can't compare a football game with a lan party, not with a usual one ran indoor at least...

true i cant compare > much more player then in a football game > much more people could die :(?!

Yes, an elephant flying!

ah cmon let's end the decision ;), we can't change it anyhow...

and if u are right with there is another reason, excuse me :O

Now the truck with the computers got destroyed on a car crash according to Angel Muñoz so if there's no problem with the snow there's another reason hehehe.

Better leave it here yup, got shitloads of work to do. Greetz :)

it's because PK crashed not a truck

that looks like a light dusting to me. in kansas, ppl would drive around in a foot of snow like it was a sunny day.

@Pilots of the world
FLY HARD
GO PRO!

:D

Don't give Mori ideas :)

what the heck,i'm trying d00d!

haha

At least something goin on there, just like what my #39 comment suggested ^_^

why is mother nature not on irc... so we could flood her! :D

be careful what you say, or a tsunami may come your way!

cpl turky is now postboned. next step ist to postbone the whole world tour because painkiller is shit.

blame it on the weatherman...

cool, know they send bones via post :)?

looks like cpl already got its excuse for wt flop in advance, they will blame weather in turkey :)

Angel Munoz replied on CPL forum:

"The side tournaments have nothing to do with CPL, that is totally managed by the local partners.
The $50,000 Tour has been rescheduled and we are holding a $20,000 qualifier this week. My math shows that is a 40% increase in prizes for two events in Turkey.
The World Tour is not only a tournament, but also a media opportunity for the sport. If our media partners, and some sponsors have canceled their trips and we cannot hold our televised cultural tour then it is not in our best interest to hold the Tour Stop.
Furthermore, there has been almost 700 traffic accidents since the storm hit, including one involving the truck that was carrying our tournament computers, which got mostly destroyed and staff member Scott Valencia was bruised up during this unfortunate incident.
Things like this happen in life, and now it's time for the pro-gamers to show some professionalism and understand that we are thinking of the sport and of their safety; and nothing else.
In fact, the only reason we are even holding the Tour Qualifier is because some people are finding it impossible to cancel their tickets (or are already in Istanbul) and we want to make sure their trip there is not wasted.
Many people, including myself, have canceled their trips."

at least to me this sounds pretty reasonable. and to add one thing, you can blame the cpl for anything, but you cant blame them for ever having cancelled any tournaments because of bad preparation or similar reasons.

but previous turkish qualifiers have been a bit dodgy....

any way it is good Angel knows his math, how ever it would be nice of him to include the sum that the clans/players lost due to their investment before saying something like we increased the prize by 40%....

at the end of the day you cannot blame the CPL for anything regarding this matter.

but previous turkish qualifiers have been a bit dodgy....

to my knowledge cpl qualifiers arent run by the cpl itself but by the strategic partners. this time it would've been different since the pk tournament would've been run by the cpl itself.

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Angel Munoz: The World Tour is not only a tournament, but also a media opportunity for the sport. If our media partners, and some sponsors have canceled their trips and we cannot hold our televised cultural tour then it is not in our best interest to hold the Tour Stop.

yeah, it's all about money (sponsors) as usual.

The world is driven by money. It costs money for every little thing to hold an event. Whether or not people have genuine passion for something they do, they still need the money to make it happen.

You shouldn't call Angel a little thing. =/

i´m still wondering how to make money with an event which would have 100 people following it at home. (that are 50% of the people playing pk and aren´t pros)

well, money isn't coming from spectators, it's coming from sponsors. and that's what counts for cpl. remember avp2, halo, doom3....

sponsors sponsor because they want to make profit with the sponsoring. how should they attempt that if not by selling their stuff to the interested people?

if for example intel sponsors a football event with 20mio spectators at the tv enough of them notice their logos etc and buy their products.

they don´t sponsor anything for fun.

it's obvious sponsors don't know shit what games are most played. they just give money to cpl and think they have done good job in promoting their products. and then cpl organizes wt for 200 ppl max :-) just misplaced trust in cpl... and some stupidity.

I guess guys at cpl show sponsors number of CS players playing in cal and attending tournaments and beacuse of that got money for every event they could come up.

I guess guys at cpl show sponsors number of CS players playing in cal and attending tournaments and beacuse of that got money for every event they could come up.

It's not just showing the numbers, it's also selling the sponsors on the notion that the CS-numbers are so large because of the CPL support. This despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, like the lack of any such growth for every other game they have ever supported, including Q3 not dying when the CPL dropped it.

Hopefully the mp flop of PK will put an end to this silly belief.

in other words: how can coverage/no coverage be the reason to cancel an event if in the best case 100 people are waiting for any coverage at home?

well, angel is trying to convince sponsors that events they are giving money for are something big. so there must be coverage, even if just for that reason ;-)

So many cynical people. And? What isn't these days?
So CPL are a business big deal.
The people whine about money and sellouts are usually the people still living at home with mommy and daddy and getting spoon feed, but would probably be the biggest sell outs (by their definition) if they had the skill to attend. What should they do, sit at home playing Doom 3 with buggy netcode and flawed maps?
Or play a game supported by a developer and a game that has a tournament every single month with media coverage that attracts best players in the world?

If you know a better way to hold a world tour every month across the world without attracting big sponsors as the CPL are doing then be my guest.
You may well be into games, but the sponsors want your money and the only people who get upset are those naive enough to think the world works differently to that.
Be it the local comic store or grocers.

The end of the day all the good players are already there or will make it.
I don't care about the frag bait, I wanna' see the top USA players and the top EURO players play.
The best USA/CAN players are already there and so are the Euros so we'll still get to see some good stuff and no one should be too disappointed.

The end of the day world tour still on and nothing has really changed has it?
Shit happens, don't be so unforgiving when things do not go to plan.
To be honest its no wonder pro gaming is not taken off as its mainly filled with teenagers with no idea how things work outside of games and IRC.

I'm cynical because this whole WT is a bad joke. as is PK. cpl really showed how they listen to community when choosing WT game. why PK? maybe epic or id wouldn't agree with exclusive rights for cpl to decide can anybody else hold tournament with big prizes?

or maybe they didnt give shit about the "pro" community..

They are a business. And like every business they take into account certain factors of what the audience wants.

However ,the pro-gaming one is mainly filled by fickle people who are starved of competition (at a premiere level) and are desperate for a chance to compete at a high level.
Therefore CPL ultimately know that you'll (the best gamers) follow whatever they do, because there is not thing else to fall back.

It's not like GGL or anyone else has anything to compete with one million dollars and a tournament every month atround the world is it.

well, I'm from Turkey and the situation is not like we cant handle it. The city is in a good condition yes, but the main problem is the airport is not close to the city and it would be risky to gather all the ppl. What would you say if some of the gamers would get injured in an accident or something ? This is the worst snowfall we have ever had for 8 or 9 years as far as I remember. And I dont think the airport is closed because my friend just arrived today from Germany.

ps : If you need someone to travel in Turkey, contact me and I can try my best to show you around
msn : squee_of_turkey@yahoo.com ^^

Do you do any extras :)

Well how much snow did fall? I would be interested in hearing this?

Just 3 days ago, I woke up and outside was a blizzard and 40cm of snow covering the ground, yet the life went on, normaly as usuall. Streets were cleared, sidewalks too = the traffic was as usuall.

God forbid, that the 1.5m snow that dropped on Austria drop on Turkey, since you'll prolly be dead by now. >:)

Something smells like shit.

Media decided not to fly to istanbul because of bad weather? lol

All other events like cs are going their regular way. Why is the painkiller media to lazy to travel to Istanbul? Sounds unprofessional to me or did they find out that painkiller isn´t worth it?

[cynic mode]

unprofessional? no way, cpl = professionalism :-p

[/cynic mode]

why wouldn't PK be worth going to istanbul to cover event? I'm sure at least 50 people are waiting for coverage ;-)

Of all the ppl watching e.g mtv, im sure 99% cant tell the difference between painkiller, cs and wc3 .. :/

Does not really matter if the game has 5k players or 100 players when they broadcast it to millions.. Besides, they are probably waiting for the real turkey stop :&

I'm 100% certain you're wrong.

wow :)

When the media and sponsors heard about stuff like this:

"Furthermore, there has been almost 700 traffic accidents since the storm hit, including one involving the truck that was carrying our tournament computers, which got mostly destroyed and staff member Scott Valencia was bruised up during this unfortunate incident."

Including planes skidding off the run way, yes, they decided to cancel their trip.

That's Angel Muñoz's post in a forum, comes AFTER the cancellation and is at least unaccurate (lol). If the media attending to CPL is unable to get information from a better source (and a reliable and trustworthy one) then your WT is fucked up...

1- You cancel due to an airport being closed and weather "harsh conditions" everyone saw it was a lie.
2- You change the cancellation reason to a truck crash where the computers were destroyed but you have computers to do the "qualifier" so it must be another lie.
3- You mention the media as reason, well that's actually something i could believe since i doubt any media was going to Turkey appart from esports websites.

And now you move Spanish stop also and since we have no news about spanish stop and we're like 1 month away from its original start i start to think that you were not ready, not for Turkey neither for Spain...

See you at Barcelona, or Madrid, or wherever you make WT Spain if you ever make it.

nuked user ... u really should fill all your complaints in one posts :/ thx

Also I guess this means that by the time of the first CPL WT event, PK will have a new patch that fixes all the 1.61 problems? I bet someone cynical can make something of that too...

omg pk is bad, ut rox fuall

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This is so sad that i have to write this down guys but.. there is something in Angel Munoz's forum post at cpl that is definitely not true.

Which is that:
"Furthermore, there has been almost 700 traffic accidents since the storm hit, including one involving the truck that was carrying our tournament computers, which got mostly destroyed and staff member Scott Valencia was bruised up during this unfortunate incident."

Even if you sum up all traffic accidents in istanbul for three months you couldn't come up with that figure. The thing about truck with tournament computers also is not true, and i guess Scott Valencia pretty is fine here, i just saw him and he didn't even mention any accident. And also no one can ever prove that kind of a story..

There is something else according to players here, same strategic partner held an event for the last cpl winter qualifier. They used crappy computers which had mostly different hardware taken from internet cafes. They couldn't find any computers nor sponsors for it. I guess same thing happened again at World Tour.

Most probably they made a mistake about Strategic Partner choice in Turkey. But i don't see why they are trying to hide this with statements which are not true.

The number of accidents was given to us by Scott as we are not in Turkey. The number apparently is for Turkey and not just Istanbul. Doesn't matter, because the reports of wide spread accidents are all over the web news.

Scott was involved in a car accident while transporting our computers to the venue, he's not hospitalized but definitely sustained bruises to his right ribs. Some of the computers were shattered.

Right ribs? :D

"MY NAME'S PIP. AND YOUR ASS AIN'T TALKING YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS SHIT" (c) Jules Winnfield.

Why did you edit your post accusing the person of being a rival to the CPL and accusing of posting false info?

Due to you being wrong maybe?

Because we thought it was best to contact them directly instead of doing it through a forum post.

CXG COUNTER ATTAK!!!

So indeed you were out of line.

Also why is the weather outside effecting the LAN event insde a building, that cannot be effected by weather? Sure you got some computers destroyed but you have hardly had an impressive number of signups for this shody PK game anyway.

So why not use what you have for the PK games, or is this yet another poorly excecuted plan to stall the WT because your heap of shit game isn't even ready. Such as this PKTV, which those moneys can't even get finished given all this time.

news just in: cxg owner spotted fleeing from the cpl computer truck accident...

I was just wondering why CPL can postpone two events at the very last moment and czn't change there Dallas event dates 10 monthes before it starts...

;)

Very very true.

true, but u so copied my comment off other esport site :p

Or maybe you said what I thought at that very precise moment :D

Sigh, stuff happens and I feel bad it hit the 1st stop of WT. When a plane skidded of course everyone would feel afraid because their plane might face the same accident. So can safely said anyone that haven't leave yet would cancel their flights.
Kinda plain logic. And weather outside do affect any indoor event...pple travel outside the event venue not using a direct tunnel unaffected by weather :p

As for the computers, not only the players using it, other visitors also using it what...

Then what with CS? April-May or March as planed? As far as i know, the next monday (14th of Feb), the Spanish world Tour stop will launch a website (www.e-life2005.com) with all needed info about the Tournaments, dates, etc.
If it was going to be in March, i know the possibilities of being in Barcelona were pretty small, but changing to April-May, will prolly make it possible to do it in Barcelona, and not in Madrid. (Barcelona is 100 times nicer than Madrid anyway :P).

We all want Barcelona, just go and make it happen :P

btw launching the webby on Valentine's has any weird meaning? :(

Angel Loves you all.

\o/

haha the change of dates already made it happen, it gonna be in Barcelona (thanks to the bad weather in turkey ??!?! heh) anyway, Ive seen that also could be that theres not much to announce by the 14th, cos since they are back to Barcelona, they have to reschedule stuff like sponsors and hotel lists and all that shit :s whatever... its taking so long for the infos! gr

Valentines day? ... mmm ! do gamers and business men still remember love exist? hehe

I know some "pro-gamers" who won't have something to eat before end of march

For being a community of people who supposedly doesnt care about the PK-worldtour we sure produce lots of comments about it.

But then again who can resist all those tasty speculations.

Who said nobody cares? Im not saying someone didnt say it, just wondering where you would get that idea.

We do care, but we don't like it. It's a bad game, but the players are still (nearly all of) the best around. Plus, 50% of all these comments have been along the lines of "Haha, CPL sucks but won't admit it".

And that always produces hundreds of comments.