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Any comments are welcome, I know they are REALLY long guides. We just decided enough procrastinating and just to get on with making some, so we did them with no script or planning.

We will probably do the same for the remaining TDM maps and then might consider doing a more refined, scripted and edited version 2 of each guide.

Give us your feedback and ideas.

Actually how do I make the links bullet points? How do I map make the supporting image the Level Up TV logo?

These videos are way too long. There is some blockbuster movies shorter than the dm20 guide! Support the content with prerecorded speeded up videos, pictures, etc whatever that makes the explanation shorter... Break it into parts and put timestamps on it, i.e. 0:00-0:20- item setup, 0:20-0:30 important positions with X weapon...etc.

For someone already know the basics and just looking for picking up some useful tips here and there its way too long to worth it sitting through. For a noob who knows absolutely nothing, its way too much in one piece to pay attention for.

Im not sure if the dm7 guide was meant for test reasons, but in the future you should focus more on the maps being played in competitions / pickup because this kind of knowledge is only useful there.

Yeah I agree, we will probably aim to do a version 2 which will be much shorter and to the point. Problem is we just enjoy talking about this stuff :)

We will do all the playable TDM maps, so even if they are not in the current pools.

Thanks for the feedback.

45 min to 1 hour tutorial on the maps is fine imo! however 90 minutes might be a little overkill. great idea and keep the videos coming! thks:)))

Ha well, I agree but then we love quake, so we just cant stop talking!

The length of the guides doesn't bother me. I think what you're doing is great and will help motivate new players going into TDM. Looking forward to dm14!

What wintastic said.

What Kristus said.

What the replier to Kristus said.

Hopefully will, and I hope it will inspire other players to give their take on tactics if they have some other ideas.

Good stuff guys , very detailed VERY !!!.

cheers empy!!

Major News!

love how the guide on dm7 ended up into a 4 hour stream :p

Maybe the bit after the vod was actually more interesting anyway :D

Disrepute is so amazing, sexiest voice in the history of shoutcasters perfection as always from these two!

GO VELCRO! :O)

velcrovc should do duel map guides

He's too busy promoting Velcro Xtreme at the moment

Xtreme!

HAHA!!! How did you find it!?

AHAHAHA

(PS I AGREE)

i want a guide to *duelmap* by rapha :(!

Yeah that would be amazing

Good job, mates! I like it! Really strong introducing!

Ha thanks

Thanks for these , I look forward to any others you might do .

thanks

needs to be shorter, specially casuse your voices are really monoton sometimes...and a simple granade spam on the shaft room should not be 10 minutes to discuss. but the whole idea is good, looking forward to purga and maybe some ctf maps.

Well the monotone element is related to the length I guess, but I would generally say we have a good level of expression in our voices. Always something to be improved though.

Some elements take longer, but need to be emphasized about the importance of a position. It would be shorter if scripted.

These two are like Ant and bloody Dec. Love the commentary!

Same size foreheads too!

I disagree with everything said in the dm20 guide, good effort though guys! :D

make a rail guide

this guide just lost all its credibility

Results are everything.

mortal... juven1le mocks you.

so humble

Mere mortals need tactics and teamplay - not just running around railing every green pixel in sight :)

You disagree with EVERYTHING! Dunno how its possible when we discuss most general ways of playing it.

Its a good guide, A very long guide(Could be done in 10-20 min). It covers pretty much everything there is to say about dm20, so good effort.

Grab some food and drink and sit back with your notepads, good shit here. Thanks Dis and Vor!

thanks

cheers

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By Zulphrr
22:53 CEST 27 Mar 2012

Great work vor and disreupute!

I think these map guides need to be long to be an effective map guide, intresting and helpful.

Thanks.

The length should be shorter I think when scripted, and broken into sections. But if you love TDM (maybe just quake) you will always enjoy long chats about these kind of things.

This is brilliant btw. Quake needs more content like this.

Totally agree, and I think we wont worry about the production quality, edited etc for a while so we can just produce more and more of this kind of thing.

Very nice , thy guys [+]

thanks

it's good but didn't you pick the 2 maps most likely not to be in map lists anymore?

Well 5 mins research tells me I'm wrong about Hidden Fortress at least. I always assumed this map was played only because there weren't many tdm maps in QL.

p.s. Can anyone tell me why I can't bloody login?
I can "login and post" that's all. Thought it was a chrome problem but firefox is the same.

DM7 guide was requested because its up for vote in the new ClanBase season. dm20 is the most picked map. We will do them all though so it doesn't really matter.

We will do them all though so it doesn't really matter.

Me gusta

very enjoyable and nice pairing of voices/personalities, thanks for efforts.

only watched about 20 mins or so of the hidden fortress video. (retribution is just a shit map imo so didnt bother with that :) ). great stuff.

i dont think the content itself is slow or boring, so my suggestion for future videos is to split it up into discrete parts each with a theme. like why you might think lg/ya/mh area is key to the map or how the rail plays out differently on dm20 as opposed to most other maps because of the item location etc etc.

i think the next logical step would be to utilize the video part a bit more and use like segments of demos to demonstrate the points you make. might be way too much work tho.

anyways great stuff, looking forward to more of the same.

Thanks.

I agree totally. The main reason we did it like this, is so it actually happened. If we waited to create an edited version, scripted and with demo examples, the reality is it just wouldn't happen.

yea believe me i understand.

o also, didnt see the entire video but did you talk about why the 2 of you like dm20 so much??? and i would also like to see something from you about what you think about the state of tdm and possible gameplay changes (especially considering the update coming up). i think you mentioned in the beginning of the dm7 video how you think there should be more health/armor in general on the maps. whats ur opinion specifically on tiered armor in ql tdm and why it was mostly ignored by the competitive community?

I think we discussed some stuff like that after retribution for like 2 more hours, but i didn't record the vod online. Had to be there!

We can maybe do some more discussion on the subject again.

you could always have 2 versions one in depth and one basic :P
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These are the basic versions! :D

I don't see how anyone can complain about this content, any Quake content such as this is good for the competitive community and the Quake community in general.

Grim Dungeons has been excavated...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DE7N_cyzUo

thanks

I have to say time flew by while checking out these videos.
Great in-depth analysis of possible situations, tactical input and so much more great stuff!

People are complaining about the length of this videos, but didn't have any problems with it :) You two have enjoyable voices to listen to (one of the reasons why your streams are so coveted by the community)

More of this is most welcome, good job!

Thanks.

Try say the same after 2 hours 20 on grim dungeons now!!

You two are able to have endless conversations about Quake Live, omg.

^^

SEMI_OFFTOPIC
Did someone write / film CTF guides before. Here or any other sites?

I don't think so, but it could be great for new players :)
Unfortunately I don't think the ctf community has anyone as cool as disrepute and nvc.

ouch!

ey?
Oh, it was vor :)

I wasn't being sarcastic!

you're going to be hunted the fuck down my friend

http://www.4seasonsgaming.com/guides.php
http://www.holysh1t.net/category/tutorials/strategy/
some things here but dunno if they go into much depth