ESR - ESL-TV QL Invitational

<< Comment #1 @ 06:45 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Nukm

glad they changed their minds and use the default eu mappool instead of the quakecon bullshit

both germans in one group :(

<< Comment #6 @ 07:05 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #1

we don't disapprove of the Quakecon rules, I think their map pool could be more interesting (I believe we need more dueling maps), and picking maps you get to see how good people are on their best maps. but because of short notice, we decided to keep the standard.

Also we moved Tuesday to Monday, because of patch days. This unfortunately means Stermy cant play out the whole tournament, since hell be in America. but were glad hes able to make the show match, will be his first live game so certainly one to watch :)

Edited by 2GD at 07:07 CDT, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #15 @ 08:16 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #6

well, it may be more interesting and i am all for new maps in the pool, but if there are no decent maps, you shouldnt start adding crap one. id should make new duel maps, but instead they make ca3 and claim its for duel, tdm, ca and ffa :(
the geometry of t9 is just boring. there are no interesting fighting spots, didnt enjoy wathing the pros play it and i dont enjoy playing it. - fail
on ca2 its easy to run all the items when your in control and its so big and wide that you can +back and rail for minutes - fail

Edited by Nukm at 08:20 CDT, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #33 @ 13:39 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #15

"that you can +back and rail for minutes"

not like it's not the same for every maps...

<< Comment #11 @ 07:50 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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raithza - Reply to #1

7 map mappool ftw! how does qcon map selection work though? 1 elim each, 1 pick each, elim for last?

<< Comment #13 @ 07:54 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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fjorgyn - Reply to #11

they pick first, and then eliminate maps for third.

<< Comment #2 @ 06:47 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead

post all demos if you can thx.

<< Comment #3 @ 06:52 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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fox - Reply to #2

There will be VODs of all games with 2GD casting.

<< Comment #5 @ 07:05 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #3

I prefer demos or GTV to be honest. Hopefully we get avek stermy demos.

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<< Comment #7 @ 07:14 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #5

Yep, worst of ql is no gtv support, so just demos would be nice.

<< Comment #18 @ 08:49 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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fox - Reply to #5

I take it you've never heard 2GD casting then :)

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<< Comment #19 @ 08:58 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #18

I watched some casting on justin.tv for that american 1 day tourney. With djwheat I think. It was cool but I hate when they switch povs non stop.

<< Comment #75 @ 08:19 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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linkoo - Reply to #19

MVD!!!

<< Comment #34 @ 13:51 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #18

2GD = WoW player,

soz kkthxbye

<< Comment #87 @ 14:12 CDT, 20 July 2009 >>

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oneroomdisco - Reply to #34

2GD = Quake player first, for many years, went to WoW for about a year or so.

Learn yo shit.

<< Comment #88 @ 09:56 CDT, 15 August 2009 >>

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Heartlesss - Reply to #87

UT player first lol :D

<< Comment #53 @ 19:51 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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rapha - Reply to #18

Always look forward to vod's with 2gd or djwheat over demos :)

<< Comment #86 @ 03:11 CDT, 17 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (43.158.50.59.broad.hk.hi.dynamic.163data.com.cn) - Reply to #53

get some SERIOUS PRACTISE

this time u gotta win quakecon

<< Comment #71 @ 06:48 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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s3cco - Reply to #18

I really like 2GD's casts, in fact i consider him among the few comentators worth listening to, along with some of they guys who cast QW tdm and maybe djwheat.
But no matter how "premium quality" the stream is, there's no fucking way you can compare it to gtv + audio stream.
Also this makes me wonder: is gtv even planned for QL? Did the devs ever mention it or is everyone expecting it just because they're used to it?

<< Comment #4 @ 06:55 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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trippy

needs ukslimer! :o)

<< Comment #8 @ 07:16 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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TUMULT

killer!

<< Comment #9 @ 07:24 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Lethe

Unfortunately the Italian player won't be able to play in the tournament because he would get spanked.

fixed

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<< Comment #10 @ 07:32 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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aCtion'nite - Reply to #9

lol >.<

<< Comment #14 @ 08:02 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #9

Neh, Stermy is in america nearing the end of the play days :( its cus we had to push the tournament back. he wanted to play. thats why hes playing the show match :)

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<< Comment #17 @ 08:32 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #14

k

Also RazeR will provide 500� of products for the spectators of the show.

do you know how will this work?

Edited by Lethe at 08:34 CDT, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #21 @ 09:26 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #17

yeah, next post will be how you can win , with competition rules :) and brackets of the matches.

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<< Comment #24 @ 09:47 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #21

alllllllright.

<< Comment #12 @ 07:52 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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son1dow

Nice to see that guard got invited ^_^

<< Comment #16 @ 08:22 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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wch

Good work on the map list.

The QCON pool is fucking terrible :<

<< Comment #20 @ 09:09 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Grimskov

go fox!

<< Comment #22 @ 09:33 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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fazz

Awww, I just learned t9 =(

And where is noctis? I thought he would play if it were standard rules.

<< Comment #27 @ 10:31 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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bl4ze - Reply to #22

playday #1

<< Comment #23 @ 09:45 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Po0dle

Too bad no jibo, last cypher vs jibo matches were awesome.

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<< Comment #25 @ 09:54 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #23

this is quakelive.

<< Comment #28 @ 11:36 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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no_il - Reply to #25

So jibo isnt going to play in quakelive at all?

<< Comment #47 @ 16:39 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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swine - Reply to #28

Jibo cant play as he will be in China

<< Comment #26 @ 09:56 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Grimskov - Reply to #23

I could remove the "e" if you like

<< Comment #29 @ 12:34 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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By $\0/$ fragerr

spermy off zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

<< Comment #30 @ 12:54 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun :

2GD never explained that "smoke should not fight for mega this time and this time and this time, because he is not stacked and hell will obviously attack mega zone", because he did not get it

so I really hope we won't miss demos :-|

Edited by ScarletJohansonsFather at 16:21 CDT, 13 July 2009

<< Comment #31 @ 13:31 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #30

I prefer watching a clean HQ stream over that GTV stuff. Where GTV is really nice in terms of spectacting just the 'pure' game with your settings and MVD and stuff, a well casted video stream is always better.

And I just bought a month of premium account for ESL.tv, hence I really hope 2GD is gonna explain the situations and state the mistakes the players make.

<< Comment #32 @ 13:36 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #31

I don't mind stream either, most are pretty decent, but I am affraid they don't refuse us demos, to force people into their stream stuff

<< Comment #35 @ 14:15 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #32

dude, think about it. we dont want not offer you demos. but figures = success for an internet tv company. if you want your game to be featured more, and have bigger and more regular tournaments. We need to figures to make that happen. So having ppl watch our stream and come back to rewatch on vod helps. so if you want to help your game, watch the stream. if you dont, whine and complain for gtv + demo's where we cannot get viewing figures and push quakelive futher within esl. since when we approach sponsors with our quakelive figures. they can either be impressed, or they can say hmmmm thats nice. but what about a wow 3v3 arena tournament?

your choice

Edited by 2GD at 14:18 CDT, 13 July 2009

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<< Comment #49 @ 18:17 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #35

At least release demos after the tourney?

<< Comment #60 @ 02:01 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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unihumi - Reply to #49

VODs

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becks - Reply to #49

dude, think about it. they dont want not offer you demos. but figures = success for an internet tv company. if you want your game to be featured more, and have bigger and more regular tournaments. They need the figures to make that happen. So having ppl watch their stream and come back to rewatch on vod helps. so if you want to help your game, watch the stream. if you dont, whine and complain for gtv + demo's where they cannot get viewing figures and push quakelive futher within esl. since when they approach sponsors with their quakelive figures. they can either be impressed, or they can say hmmmm thats nice. but what about a wow 3v3 arena tournament?

your choice

<< Comment #65 @ 04:33 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #49

were more than likely release a demo pack, but it might be at a set date after the tournament

<< Comment #67 @ 05:54 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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efassd - Reply to #65

Sounds good. I understand all of the above, but it just doesn't make sense to me to completely block demos of the 2nd (arguably 1st) big Quake Live tournament ever. Demos are what people will look back on in 5 years for this tournament, when the VODs may or may not still exist.

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unihumi - Reply to #67

Do not forget the fact, that people are able to make Frag Movies out of it :O

<< Comment #51 @ 18:43 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Slasher - Reply to #35

Yes. Just gotta deal with it.

<< Comment #36 @ 14:22 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #30

ya mate, i am bad :(

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #36

for other people you might be good, but I preffer to judge a match by myself, wheter good or bad
don't take it so serious, though, the fact that a lot of people say you are good should make you feel good, I'm just witht he few :)

<< Comment #39 @ 15:12 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #38

well my in game analysis is from my game style, which is more calculated decissions. and since i still play and duel. and beat alot of good players. I'm happy to give my oppinons on decissions and try to explain what i can when i have chance

I dont mind ppl thinking im bad, I cast like 6 games, never going to please everyone. but from your few comments in this thread, my view on you isnt a high one. but dont take it too serious. im just with the majority

Edited by 2GD at 15:13 CDT, 13 July 2009

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f0cus - Reply to #39

"but from your few comments in this thread, my view on you isnt a high one. but dont take it too serious. im just with the majority"

lol

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GreenBastard - Reply to #39

haha

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #41

majority=mediocrity
laugh louder
:)

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becks - Reply to #44

better mediocre, than sub-standard ;P

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GreenBastard - Reply to #44

HAHA

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<< Comment #43 @ 15:56 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #39

it seems it affected you already, why else would you put your skills on the table already?
please...

<< Comment #45 @ 16:25 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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2GD - Reply to #43

"I take it 2GD had no clue when hell and smoke were playing on ztn"

no clue? if you want to say that someone whos played the game for 10 years, and done countless ztn's vs professional gamers. and say he has no clue. that to me is pretty insulting. and makes me think you must be pretty stupid

Edited by 2GD at 16:26 CDT, 13 July 2009

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2GD - Reply to #45

@:)

Edited by 2GD at 16:36 CDT, 13 July 2009

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<< Comment #48 @ 17:56 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #45

pretty stupid"
ntz ntz

I know you are pro player, the main idea going over your perception, again, is this:
intuition and intelligence are not the same, most by the contrary
that's why best at theory mostly fail in practice
so let me explain, you might wake up playing a game for 20 years and don't get the logics of it as good as carmac or other guy theoretically good, do
for instance, even if you are way better player than me, I probably see in matches things you don't (re-read my ztn comment if you still don't get it) -yet you feel 'em when you play, because they are in your instinct already
I deleted the "you have no clue" text, so you may go to bed now

<< Comment #50 @ 18:33 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #48

Dude,SILENCE, 2gd knows what he's talking about.

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Carmac - Reply to #48

I say 2GD understands Quake far better than I do. He has a world of practical experience that I will never have.

<< Comment #56 @ 21:58 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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juvenile delinquency - Reply to #43

raged
also lol@ 'broken english approaching'

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unihumi - Reply to #39

rofl :P

<< Comment #52 @ 18:44 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Slasher - Reply to #30

I'm going to have to say that 2GD may know some stuff about Quake

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By $\0/$ fragerr - Reply to #52

o RLY?

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roychez - Reply to #52

He does not!

<< Comment #37 @ 14:26 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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ArchaiK

For some stupid reason I have to pay for at least 3 months if I want the premium stream at esltv :S

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Nukm - Reply to #37

nah, you have to buy 3 month of esl premium account which can be changed into 1 month of esl tv prem if im correct.
at least in the end i had 1 month of esl tv prem for 3�

<< Comment #57 @ 01:49 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #37

depends on the payment method. some payment methods are not economical for us to offer for the price of 1 month. after taking away the costs the actual amount we get at the end is not worth it.

if you prefer we can just triple the price for 1 month so then all payment methods are available :)

<< Comment #54 @ 20:28 CDT, 13 July 2009 >>

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Anonymous (h156050.upc-h.chello.nl)

So Nukm you can not watch the stream without a premium account?

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xou - Reply to #54

There is a free stream, but quality isn't great

<< Comment #58 @ 01:53 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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therogue - Reply to #54

there is a free stream too and i think the quality is fine, but that's up to you to judge

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efassd - Reply to #58

Any quality worse than the old youtube standard is not fine IMHO, and the free ESL stream is definitely worse than the old youtube quality.

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unihumi - Reply to #59

I don't think so. The old youtube quality was at about 300-400kbits at the Sorenson Spark codec, which is quite outdated nowadays.

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efassd - Reply to #64

Take another look at the free stream, I think it was something like 150 pixels wide...

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therogue - Reply to #59

349 kBit/s, 384 x 288

I watched the QL Spring final using the free stream (premium kept getting "stuck") stretched on my 22" widescreen and looked fine to me

<< Comment #72 @ 06:53 CDT, 14 July 2009 >>

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s3cco - Reply to #58

I hereby judge it guilty of sucking ass

Case closed

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