ESR - Q4 1.4.1 Beta Suggestions & Bug Reports

<< Comment #1 @ 21:29 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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SyncError :

You can callvote q4cmp0, but that map was not included, so it can crash the server.

Edited by SyncError at 21:29 BST, 3 April 2007

<< Comment #2 @ 21:51 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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KM

Tone down the lightning gun a bit, it's massively over-powered now.

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<< Comment #46 @ 17:30 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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kevz ' - Reply to #2

ye knockback is a little hmm, crazy :P. increasing it is fine but almost double.. makes it easy for toxic to stay #1 in q4 till forever :p

maybe change it from 6 -> 9 ?

<< Comment #163 @ 21:08 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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killat0n - Reply to #46

lg is amazing DO NOT CHANGE IT

and for the record, q4max used 8 knockback in 1.4.0 and nobody even noticed. Leave it at 11 please. Anything less then 10 would be such a shame :(

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<< Comment #165 @ 21:21 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #163

i agree :D

<< Comment #183 @ 14:11 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #163

Yeah after playing for a while now I don't mind the new lg (it does seem a tad overpowered though, but not by much) =)

Edited by »bst at 14:14 BST, 7 April 2007

<< Comment #475 @ 05:52 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #183

9 knockback.

<< Comment #3 @ 21:56 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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Xsi +'

*model specfic sound code to allow unique sound sets be defined for each model

how can i use it ?

<< Comment #7 @ 22:30 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #3

if you're a modeller, add "snd_*" keys to your playermodel def, similar to those in player.def against player_marine_mp etc.

<< Comment #4 @ 22:03 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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zengfu

ramp movement etc

<< Comment #5 @ 22:17 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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PURRI

Ramp jumps/movement are totally wrong now :/

Maps like placebo/torment are not even playable now since you cant really make the simple ramp jumps anymore. I think it needs to be fixed very shortly or this patch will be a huge flop.

Also feels like the knockback of the LG is abit to high, 8 or 9 would be more suitable if you ask me.

The rest seems fine so far. Movement has to be fixed asap though!!

Edited by PURRI at 23:12 BST, 3 April 2007

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<< Comment #10 @ 22:45 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #5

Agreed.. movement feels weird. I had got used to 1.4.0 movement and found it was nice, didn't really need changing. LG didn't really need changing either imo, except maybe a little more knockback but not as much as there is now, and the increase in fire rate is good but I think the damage over time should match what it is in 1.4.0.

Rockets for some reason feel laggy compared with 1.4.0, responsiveness as a whole doesn't feel quite as good.

In q4max I noticed the players warping to the spawns, not sure if it was supposed to be fixed in max though. Also in max, the xhair I've used for a long time (22) has gone! :( waah

I played some vanilla and one thing I noticed was that it takes a longer time to spawn, also you see yourself fly to the spawn, and when you do spawn you start at an angle (good thing I don't play much vanilla).

My personal opinion on the patch is that it should be more like 1.4.0 in its gameplay, but have the features and bugfixes of 1.4.1.

Edited by »bst at 22:52 BST, 3 April 2007

<< Comment #471 @ 17:48 BST, 12 May 2007 >>

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Burger_Man - Reply to #10

I ran around the duel maps. Tryed a few ramp jumps(witch are really bad now) and reinstalled 1.3

<< Comment #11 @ 22:47 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #5

100% agree with purri.. after some hours with the new patch I found that running or crouch sliding DOWN angled surfaces like stairs/ramps feel bad now, very slow and ugly.. also just circle jumping (1 jump) up ramps are really bad too but the double jumps up ramps seem a lil better but barely noticeable. Other than the ramps the movement feels great, though.

So far the lg just seems like a bad decision making it almost all ping and lg once again, but I'll give it more time. The movement definately isn't adaptable though.

<< Comment #18 @ 00:47 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Program2 - Reply to #11

'Adapt' like you tell everyone. Sorry just had to :)

<< Comment #23 @ 01:30 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #18

read my last sentence in that post :P

<< Comment #33 @ 13:08 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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CR0C0 - Reply to #23

1.3 movement is best I guess Ill stick with it til id figures out how to replicate it. Judging by the posts so far there's no sense in me even trying 1.41 cause I know I wont like it.

<< Comment #43 @ 15:32 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #33

ramps are not really that big of a deal.. i still prefer 1.4.1 with shitty ramp jumps to 1.3 with shitty bugs.

<< Comment #47 @ 17:36 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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zengfu - Reply to #43

not a big deal? rofl, all the maps are broken..

youre the first one i heard who thinks its playable at all

<< Comment #51 @ 18:01 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #47

itll get fixed.. its playable until then. it's not like ramp jumps are used that often.. just dont play placebo :P

<< Comment #53 @ 18:15 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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LovingAngel - Reply to #51

Even on placebo you can circumvent the problem by jumping on the ramps to get speed instead of walking up the ramp. Works perfectly.

<< Comment #87 @ 22:03 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fojji - Reply to #51

jesus christ. there are ramps in EVERY map. you cant slide into RA with full speed on monsoon, you cant do a jump at RA and slide up the ramp to gain speed on phrantic, you cant asfhdfsduijfasojfsio

<< Comment #89 @ 22:17 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #87

the only time i found that ramp jumps fail is when you try to use one jump without getting speed before.. like the torment ramp to YA jump. Double jumps are better than they used to be.. actually I don't want to argue with you since I agree.. the ramp jumps are fucked and need to be fixed asap :(

<< Comment #101 @ 00:58 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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griffin` - Reply to #89

what ever happened too

"ramps are not really that big of a deal."

...lol

<< Comment #102 @ 01:24 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #101

it's not that big of a deal because it's still playable (instead of sliding up ramps, just double jump up em).. it's just certain jumps are impossible now and it needs to be fixed

...lol

Edited by naymlis at 01:29 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #111 @ 07:35 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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hebi-fly - Reply to #43

i also think the hole ramp issue _has_to_be_fixed_ it's realy annoying and yesterday i got so tired (yes ZzZZz tired) because the ramps made me mad, its like climbing a hill....

<< Comment #134 @ 14:01 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Vayne - Reply to #111

Wouldnt be a problem if there were stairs but noooooooooooooooo.

<< Comment #25 @ 02:45 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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xyGvot - Reply to #5

isn't that solved by messing around with the pm_powerslide cvar?

<< Comment #31 @ 11:26 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Troll - Reply to #5

Reality check, Q4 in general is already a great flop.

<< Comment #65 @ 19:29 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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danny - Reply to #31

define flop

<< Comment #110 @ 07:16 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Lukas - Reply to #31

Q4 in general is already a great ~~flop~~

<< Comment #486 @ 03:31 BST, 20 May 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #110

Your mom's penis is a great flop.

<< Comment #6 @ 22:25 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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wata +'

shrubberies are clipping when you Ni over :/

<< Comment #8 @ 22:38 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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wakka

Please fix Ramp Jumps / slide on ramps , and decrease the knockback on lg to 8. then everything is fine =)

Edited by wakka at 00:57 BST, 4 April 2007

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<< Comment #9 @ 22:42 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #8

no. you don't like it? no soup for you!

<< Comment #112 @ 07:37 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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hebi-fly - Reply to #8

word bro!

<< Comment #12 @ 22:52 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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naymlis

"player corpses warping to spawn locations" bug still there (at least in q4max)

I get stuck on walls occasionally when running against them also (that could be from the new hitboxes, but it never happend to me in 1.4.0)

Edited by naymlis at 22:56 BST, 3 April 2007

<< Comment #15 @ 00:08 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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dezej the polish gypsy - Reply to #12

they still warp for me as well

<< Comment #66 @ 19:29 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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danny - Reply to #15

same

<< Comment #13 @ 22:53 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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deth

"RG starting ammo 5->7, ammo box 10->7, max ammo 25->35"

Railgun ammo boxes are giving me ten slugs instead of seven, which is different from what is stated in the changelog. =<

<< Comment #14 @ 23:35 BST, 3 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #13

Our updated ammo.def didn't get included in the pak it seems! Thanks for the catch.

<< Comment #177 @ 06:43 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #14

err.. really now.. who tested this patch before release? old ladies from a retirement center?

<< Comment #179 @ 08:50 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Maylee - Reply to #177

errr... really?

Now if old ladies where testing it wouldn't the ramps work?

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<< Comment #182 @ 12:01 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #179

i wasn't complaining about ramps.. gameplay bugs are pretty unpredictable and it's understandable that some of them aren't spotted before release

but forgetting to include an updated file is another story..

Edited by Aquashark at 12:01 BST, 7 April 2007

<< Comment #16 @ 00:19 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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beute

turn on your speedOmeter, run a ramp up and down and look at the speedOmeter.

thats the reason why ramp jumps are impossible now.

the higher the angle of the ramp,the slower you are.

but if you jump from a normal groung on a ramp you'll get a huge boost.

<< Comment #17 @ 00:46 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Erk '

Clientprediction needs finer resolution. Even with net_clienprediction 0 I get occasional green dots, but I have to lead alot. With automatic the clientprediction was changing between 2 and 3: I still have to lead the target and location of hitbox felt a bit random with LG, while rail felt fine. This goes for 60 ping. Seems like the "correct" clientprediciton is around 2.5 in this case according to automatic settings. In my own experiences in 1.4, 60 ping was closer to 5 or 6 in clientprediction to be somewhat usefull (ping/[9-12] usually gave me a decent clientprediction).

The game seem somewhat more consistent with cmdbackup 5 than 1 or 2. I assume any duplicate packets are just thrown away by the server and it only bothers with the first instance of the packets that it recieves, hence making your ping more consistent as long as you don't saturate your connection. Am I correct in this assumption or does the server do any work on the duplicate packets other than throwing them away?

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<< Comment #20 @ 01:01 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #17

The autoadjust prediction cvar isnt documented in the changelog because I didnt consider it working enough to recommend people use it. Infact, I would recomend people explicitly do NOT use it, unless you're really sure you want to, because at times it can choose completely inappropriate values (dont do a vid_restart ;)).

It also seems to be coming out consistently too low, I think, and suffers from an issue where coming from below it comes up with a different value from ajusting from above. This may be related to your issue of it bouncing between 2 and 3.

I believe your assumption about backup is right - no problems with duplicates other than potential to saturate the connection.

<< Comment #22 @ 01:15 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Erk ' - Reply to #20

I think the problem with automatic is that the client feels it is in sync every now and then even with "net_clientprediction 0". I get green dots with 60 ping (lagometer res 4) every so often, which I really shouldn't do when clientprediction is turned off since I should always be 30ms behind the server no matter what.

<< Comment #24 @ 01:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #22

ah, but you're falling into the trap of assuming that net_clientprediction is the only prediction thats being done - its not. This is just a factor in the equations which you can tweak, but its not the whole thing - so 0 isnt really no prediction.

<< Comment #27 @ 03:27 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #24

tried ur autopredict on an aim map and so far i really like it.. i dont see barely any green at all even with resolution 8, couldn't get it to do that manually.

just wanted to say thanks alot if you were the one who coded it :D

<< Comment #29 @ 09:10 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #27

yw ;)

Came from discussing the issue with sync, but I ran out of time on getting it to the point where I'm officially "happy" with it

You might find you can turn it on for a while to get to the right value, and then turn it off so that you dont see the bad effects you get when you do things like vid_restart.

<< Comment #83 @ 21:41 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Jamerio ++++ - Reply to #29

how does it work?
Does it jsut monitor the ping every x seconds and then update it based off that or is it constantly updating in realtime?

<< Comment #116 @ 09:51 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #83

It updates once for every complete cycle of data in the netgraph - which is 64 snapshots, IIRC.

It is not directly looking at ping, it is using the value displayed in the top line of the netgraph, which is a measure of how far ahead/behind the client processed that snapshot (where at resolution 16, 1pix = 16ms). autoadjust is obviously using the raw numeric data, not adjusted by the display resolution cvar, and is currently working upon an average across all of the data in the graph at the time.

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<< Comment #120 @ 11:19 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Jamerio ++++ - Reply to #116

Thanks. I'm using the prediction one now anyway as that stuff always left me unconvinced I was at the right setting, so i'll let "it" decide.

Now if you only you could apply that to the LG and dynamically update the damage values based on ping and latency.

It's such a critical weapon in the game and it's the only one you really notice fails you when you're on a laggier server to the point where it can cost you entire games. Say playing on a new york server from Europ 110 ping vs 20 on Phrantic. GL with that.
Or a sede at 10 vs someone at 40.

There should be something which compensates the less damage you do per second (assuming 100% accuracy) as a direct result of server difference.

While some might argue it's open to abuse it's not because while you may get more damage with a wosre connection you will get less hits so it's all relative.

crappier connection = more damage, less hits.
better connection = less damage per second.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:23 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #438 @ 04:18 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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ix +: - Reply to #120

That's what I'd technically term 'a fucking disaster'.

<< Comment #470 @ 21:22 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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mammon ' - Reply to #120

commie

<< Comment #19 @ 00:47 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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sorax_

The previous movement was much better. Just as purri stated, maps like Placebo and Torment are not playable anymore since you need the ramp jump effect in order to play them properly. The knockback increase on lg is too much. Decrease it to around 8 instead. Cheers!

<< Comment #21 @ 01:03 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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starscream

the game seems a bit smoother, and the addition of cg_railstyle 3 is nice.

The lg is terribly overpowered now, i gather this will be fixed as i haven't spoken to anyone who thinks otherwise so far.

On the ctf pickup we tried out today, the server was crashing often. I will ask the player who runs the server to provide an error report.

i don't think i will be continuing to play quake4 ctf anyway, as despite the most naive optimism i have carried for the game since its release, the game will never gain a decent sized playerbase. Nevertheless, may as well get the game as good as it can be for those that do want to keep playing it.

Such a shame, because it had such a large past playerbase all ready to take it up up until it was released. Raven ruined Quake

<< Comment #26 @ 03:06 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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NaAani

LG might be slightly overpowered.
Rampmovement fucked up =p
Occationaly no damage (no hitsounds or anything) when you hit. Seems like it just stops hitting for a wile cause its not just one or two shots, it does it for a wile. (might be q4max related)

<< Comment #170 @ 22:49 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #26

No. I was 1 vs 1ing a few days ago. Of the few times I used LG, I quickly noticed that sometimes there was no hitsound, even though he moved back a bit, and made a pain sound or whatever.

<< Comment #189 @ 01:34 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #170

I guess there are serveral ways this bug / these bugs can show =p

<< Comment #190 @ 02:31 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #170

This most likely WAS a hit, including damage to them. The hit sound is delivered by the server in the server packets. The LG fires very quickly, faster than the packets. This means, especially on servers where the snapshotdelay is higher (such as a default 80 over a server configured for 30) can cause the LG hit sounds not to occur. Is is one of the primary reaons competition servers where they care about hitsounds a lot are recommended to run at 90/30 configurations.

<< Comment #206 @ 08:46 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #190

Why'd that not happen in Quake 3? Or at least, why did I never notice it? : [

<< Comment #207 @ 09:45 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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Paracet - Reply to #206

I dont know, but my guess is that the hitsound is not dependent of any packet from the server. Its pure clientside.

<< Comment #281 @ 12:22 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #207

afaik only blood as hit related is client side :o

<< Comment #28 @ 07:22 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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xu^

Vanilla to me felt ok on jolt 60fps,but as for Q4 max..

unplayable springs to mind on jolt q4max ffa server @90fps

it felt slow and laggy "again"
i have no problem in keeping a consistant 90fps but everything else just goes to pot tbh,feels like im playing on 120 ping rather than 25 - 35.

i dont care about the rest i just want it to feel lag free ,or at least as lag free as 1.3 did,its not as bad as it was in the orignal 1.4 beta but tbh i wouldnt even attempt a tdm game on q4max atm.
can see this game isnt going to get any better with regards to this lag prob when server operators insist on using higher than 60 fps.
my pc is fine with the fps obviously something causes it to be laggier when on a higher fps ?
maybe its just my pretty low speed conn (1mbit) compared to most ppl who have much higher.

<< Comment #157 @ 11:22 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #28

same here. vq4 feels great even on 60 fps but q4max was horrible.

<< Comment #30 @ 11:17 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Jazka

The new feeling about move / connection / fps and overall is just +++++ <3 so great !

-sounds seem fixed
-7 RG ammo is ok even if I still prefer 5
-the shaft damage is a lil bit too powerfull even if I prefer this kind of shaft which isn't only a big MG. knockback is ok, lenght too. Lower perhaps slightly firerate delay, or not, with a 6 damage imho.
-the new qw crosshair is fun (but useless :)
-the lago lines looks better
-spec in tele is ++

BUT

There is a real prblm with the slide in slope going down even if I really prefer the new feeling really more handly. I never appreciated flying with so few air control. Anyway this need to be fixed.

Edited by Jazka at 11:37 BST, 4 April 2007

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<< Comment #32 @ 12:48 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fojji

railgun does 91 damage ^^

<< Comment #34 @ 13:48 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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/neRo/ - Reply to #32

not quite sure if it really makes 91dmg. i already noticed in 1.4b1 that when you have 90hp and get hit by rail, it shows -1. but the same thing happened if you have 100hp and get direct hit by rocket (shows -1)

<< Comment #36 @ 14:18 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fojji - Reply to #34

i had 100 hp and 9 after a railhit :)

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<< Comment #38 @ 14:34 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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m1nzu - Reply to #36

omg fox u got 1337 posts!!

<< Comment #39 @ 14:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #38

He cant ever post again now /o\

<< Comment #40 @ 14:53 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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shqdow - Reply to #32

omg 91, now it's totally overpowered :X

<< Comment #91 @ 22:32 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #32

This is quite significant. /o\

It seems that yet again loonix has decided to spoil my day. It seems that q4max running under linux has a bug which is adding 1 onto all damage dealt (from initial testing, at least).

RG 90 -> 91, LG 7 -> 8, hb 14 -> 15 etc.

This may explain some of the issues with LG being particularly overpowered, as the increase from 160/s -> 175/s has turned into 160 -> 200/s. Because damage values are used to calculate the amount of knockback, this is also increased too.

This problem appears to only affect linux servers - windows servers are apparently unaffected. We've also been unable to reproduce the issue in q4mp.

We're looking into the issue, and I'll update you when there is more news.

(no, MAXBrowse will never be ported to linux. ;))

Edited by AnthonyJ at 22:40 BST, 4 April 2007

<< Comment #96 @ 23:14 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #91

(no, MAXBrowse will never be ported to linux. ;))

Man, please at least try and get some attitude. Just because you're locked into MS products and apparently yourself neither develop nor actually thoroughly test on linux doesn't mean any bug popping up is linux' fault. We're all very patient about those limitations in scope, although I sure would appreciate a seasoned developer with multi platform experience working on the code. So please don't constantly imply linux support being a constant burden to you and of little benefit at the same time.

That said, and in plain words, I give a flying fuck about another browsing tool pet project. As long as the game works OK I'm perfectly fine. Thanks.

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<< Comment #97 @ 23:28 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #96

the offending code is perfectly valid C, and is correct both syntactically and semantically. As far as I'm concerned, this is a compiler issue.

Presumably another versioning issue since the same code doesnt have the issue when compiled under id's dev environment. I have no desire to spend my life working around crappy tools, hence why I'd rather not support it.

<< Comment #98 @ 23:58 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #97

the same code doesnt have the issue when compiled under id's dev environment

I'd conclude then your development environment isn't properly set up. Might not have happened if linux was your platform of choice. Instead, bugs would be popping up on the windows side. You get the idea.

hence why I'd rather not support it

There's a lot I wouldn't rather as well. But if I nevertheless do for whatever reason, I at least try getting the positive side out of it and not constantly complain. Thanks.

<< Comment #117 @ 10:26 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #98

There's a lot I wouldn't rather as well

Like admitting linux has it's bugs, too?

Seriously, I like linux and will make a second partition with it soon, but I don't believe for a second that it is completely bugfree.
Just as an example the ubuntu installed at a friends computer seems to be unable to read DVDs in the udp format (for files > 2gb)
Sure you can say now it's al window's fault because the dvd was burned there, but come on...

Anyway, I personally believe some linux people are becoming the new apple fanboys, as in "Mac OS never crashes".

<< Comment #127 @ 13:25 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #117

Like admitting linux has it's bugs, too?

I recommend reading this subthread again and maybe reflect a moment on it. You likely will realize that it had little to do with the age old school yard argument you're trying to open up here again.

As a additional reminder, there is no 'Linux' apart from the kernel. When talking about bugs, it's custom to refer to either a particular kernel version or a distro and a particular software package version coming with that distro or, in case you built your own linux system, a particular software package version. Custom because anything else makes little sense.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nOPjHC_Y0lc

Edited by weltschmerz at 15:04 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #178 @ 07:35 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Aaron ' - Reply to #96

what the hell? flamebait?

<< Comment #135 @ 14:08 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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veal - Reply to #91

will you make the source available for MAXBrowse?

[e] btw i'd love to see who rates what as flamebait :)

Edited by veal at 14:10 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #137 @ 14:14 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #135

Nope, cos then Yahoo have no reason to pay me millions to stop making ASE look bad ;-)

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<< Comment #143 @ 15:34 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #137

Won't happen without a patent. Make sure to secure yours in time.

<< Comment #35 @ 14:02 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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ini

- Smaller rockets/grenades, 1 pixel max

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<< Comment #37 @ 14:34 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #35

agreed 8)

<< Comment #41 @ 15:20 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549E4950.dip.t-dialin.net)

I want more aircontroll (about 90°) so that you can better jump around corners :)

<< Comment #50 @ 17:55 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #41

use crouchsliding

<< Comment #55 @ 18:29 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Mart33N - Reply to #50

The man wrote jump

<< Comment #56 @ 18:34 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #55

and the other man told him to crouchslide

<< Comment #80 @ 21:12 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Mart33N - Reply to #56

Which is totally useless if what he wants is to have aircontrol like promode while jumping

The main difference being be that crouching requires whatever button assigned to sliding is pressed down throughout the slide.

<< Comment #93 @ 22:38 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #80

omg q4 isnt cpm shocker!

Crouchsliding covers the same basic desire to be able to change direction without losing speed. It's different, and requires different skills, but then it is a different game.

<< Comment #114 @ 09:03 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Mart33N - Reply to #93

omg lol i didn't know? :) ::F :E :X

I know perfectly well that nearly the same can be achieved by crouchsliding, but that was not the point.

<< Comment #115 @ 09:10 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #114

yet that was the point : the same can be achieved by crouchsliding, get use to it

<< Comment #129 @ 13:37 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Mart33N - Reply to #115

Yet, it is not the same. Aircontrol is started by pressing the jumpkey once, while crouchsliding is crouching while continuously holding down a key.

That both produce similar corner turns was not the point.

Edited by Mart33N at 01:00 BST, 6 April 2007

<< Comment #131 @ 13:49 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4 - Reply to #129

Omg stop talking about useless things XD
Increasing the aircontrol is the last thing ID would do, I think ^^

<< Comment #144 @ 15:48 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #131

they already increased it for 1.3 movement, but not enough to get air accel

<< Comment #152 @ 17:03 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Mart33N - Reply to #131

:) Well i'm not asking anyone to put it in Q4

<< Comment #282 @ 12:26 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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rahzei - Reply to #129

hold nu kæft for helvede

(:D)

<< Comment #372 @ 06:03 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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tewic - Reply to #282

hehehe =D

<< Comment #42 @ 15:21 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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eoe.d1ablo

- the speed on ramps is much lower in both directions(up / down)
normal run or on stairs = 320, on ramps around 270.. fix that pls

- in q4max players still warps to spawns

edit:

- ive seen player through the wall 1-2 sec after he spawned, happened couple of times.
- railgun hum sound bug is back \o/

overall the feeling is, as if the floor is in glue :F

Edited by a-L.MSI | d1ablo at 16:35 BST, 4 April 2007

<< Comment #60 @ 18:53 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #42

What happens with cg_testhums 1?

<< Comment #72 @ 20:11 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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lsu - Reply to #60

Also loopping LG sound is back.

Nice to see old and familiar bugs coming back and best of all we have wide variety of new ones!
(Btw wasnt original idea of software patch to fix bugs, not create new ones?)

<< Comment #73 @ 20:19 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #72

do you really think it was their intention to create new bugs? thats how it usually works, if you work on a game/mod new bugs will appear unfortunately

<< Comment #44 @ 16:38 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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retire

*Movement from 1.3

-Currently, we can't ramp jump. In 1.3 you could crouch slide along the stairs onto a ramp then ramp jump. Floor feels sticky :s

*Lightning Gun

-It's overpowered now, lower knockback to 8, damage to 7 and keep fire rate as it is

*Rocket Launcher

-Also overpowered: decrease rocket itself and the splash radius

*Others

-Players still warp to spawns
-Sometimes hits dont register

Fix the god damn game :(

<< Comment #118 @ 10:29 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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becks - Reply to #44

lg damage is supposed to be 7 already ;)

<< Comment #45 @ 17:05 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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winz ++++'

some of the air rox don't do any damage while they should.

<< Comment #49 @ 17:44 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #45

Did you notice that the rockets in general are "delayed"? That might have something to do with it..

<< Comment #85 @ 21:55 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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winz ++++' - Reply to #49

Well, tried in lan, it didn't seem to have any delay, at least not any bigger than in the previous patch ;)

<< Comment #100 @ 00:37 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #85

When I play online with a ping of 10-20 it now feels like about 80 with 1.4b2 (it felt great on 1.4b1). And I saw the problem of the air rockets not registering a few mins ago - the explosion happened but no hitsound or damge. Also, there were a lot of times where I thought I had hit, but I hadn't, and where I thought I had easily dodged, but I took damage anyway ;/

Its like I'm playing in the past.

<< Comment #106 @ 02:43 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #45

We've been investigating this, and are pretty sure that the problem is a client mis-prediction of the hit. ie, it shows you it hitting, but it did not really hit.

So to be clear, if you fire, it hits someone, and does no damage, then it is not denying you your frag. You simply missed, but by such a small amount that your client has gotten it wrong and displayed the explosion before it realised that it missed.

The 1.4.1 projectile collision prediction is significantly better than previous versions (think no double explosion fx like before), but clearly its not close enough.

The next q4max release will likely have the collision prediction disabled again (think g_clientprojectilecollision 0).

Edited by AnthonyJ at 02:48 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #121 @ 11:32 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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winz ++++' - Reply to #106

I don't miss my air rockets for god sake! :>

<< Comment #122 @ 12:03 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #121

Of course not, I'm sorry, there must be a second bug that I havent found yet. ;)

<< Comment #126 @ 13:04 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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marle - Reply to #121

\o/ \o/

<< Comment #123 @ 12:07 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549E665B.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #106

I still have g_clientProjectileCollision 0 in my config and no damage explosions happens alot, regardless if my rockets do no damage or i stand in the middle of a explosion and dont take any damage.

<< Comment #124 @ 12:11 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #123

g_clientProjectileCollision is obsolete - it does not exist beyond your cfg file anymore. Regardless of your setting, 1.4.1 is attempting to predict projectile collisions, and is unforuntately getting them wrong.

The new (post 0.78a) q4max behaviour is to never attempt it (cvar still not checked to prevent those who may have it at 1 in a .cfg seeing errors).

Edited by AnthonyJ at 12:12 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #130 @ 13:48 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #124

I'm not completely sure what you are saying btw - are you saying that 1.4.0 and 0.78 can make use of g_clientprojectilecollision, and if you set it to 0 it will not use it and set it to 1 and it will, but 1.4.1 and 0.78a dont use g_projectilecollision but use something different, and that its turned on by default?

If thats the case is there any way to get back the feeling of pre 1.4.1, some kind of cmd maybe? Or is that what you're talking about re: the next version?

<< Comment #136 @ 14:12 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #130

1.3 has g_clientprojectilecollision, which when set to 0 doesnt do prediction
1.4 does not do any prediction regardless of g_clientprojectilecollision
1.4.1 does not have a way to disable prediction, but its prediction is better than 1.3 (but still not good enoough)

The next q4max will revert to similar to the 1.4 behaviour, and I wouldnt be surprised if q4mp follows suit, unless id have any more ideas on how to better handle the mispredictions.

caveat 1: 1.4 actually always does prediction unless the weapon is tagged as not to be predicted in a .def file, but all weapons are tagged, since id werent happy with the prediction

caveat 2: in q4max 0.77a g_clientprojectilecollision was renamed to cg_clientprojectilecollision as too many people ignored the readme.txt telling you to start with +set fs_game q4max, so it was defaulting to 1 as per q4base, not to the 0 that q4max was trying to set.

<< Comment #148 @ 15:58 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #136

Cheers m8 :)
I guess my next question has to be: is this is a big thing to fix or is it something that can be released fairly soon? Its just that I would rather not get used to 0.78a if the next ver isn't going to take long.

<< Comment #145 @ 15:49 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #106

ive gotten 0 dmg rockets from splash damage that was right at their feet and i was sure it didn't miss

<< Comment #230 @ 08:53 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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advent™ - Reply to #145

Same, kinda gettin tired of getting screwed by these "ghost rockets." :S

<< Comment #48 @ 17:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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»bst +|

Weapon fire has a delay/lag, also the whole game now feels laggy, sort of feels like playing Q2.

<< Comment #175 @ 04:11 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #48

Thats a lag of two whole games.

<< Comment #52 @ 18:09 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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cYmoZz

- still some weapon hums get stuck
- there seems to be a problem with hit detection (especially rockets)
they explode but dont do damage
- warping to spawns still exists
- lg is too strong, bring back the lg from 1.4b with 8 knockback
- movement is buggy, bring back the 1.4 movement without stairs-ramp bug

other changes are fine

<< Comment #54 @ 18:27 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4

I was looking forward to the next beta but now I'm very sad...
I planned a Lan with about 16 people but now we have to use 1.3 and I think we have to use it forever...

<< Comment #58 @ 18:42 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #54

why not use 1.4.0??

<< Comment #57 @ 18:38 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-217-114.pools.arcor-ip.net)

server crash while voting a map that includes an addon.conf file

<< Comment #59 @ 18:52 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #57

Probably a configuration issue with your server (or it doesnt actually crash, just a full restart as it should do due to the addon.conf)

<< Comment #61 @ 19:00 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-217-114.pools.arcor-ip.net)

nope the servers do definitiv crashing while try/vote loading a map with an addon.conf file like ruiner_beta2 in the map. we have testing different server (nl,ger), pickup servers, same issues, it crashes, without addon.conf the maps are voteable

<< Comment #62 @ 19:05 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #61

when it crashes, what happens? Got a condump? This max or q4mp?

I've callvoted monsoon etc if that helps. ;)

(reply is at the right hand end of the post)

<< Comment #64 @ 19:27 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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hemostick | - Reply to #61

one of the ctf ruiner betas has been known to crap out fwiw.

<< Comment #63 @ 19:21 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4

i was just moving around q4dm1 and it happened twice that i moved on the jumppad and it "overbounced" me and i crashed against the wall ^^ Some kind of extra boost

<< Comment #76 @ 20:48 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #63

You're assuming that overbounces arent deliberate. :/

<< Comment #77 @ 21:04 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #63

The overbounce or extra boost an intended feature of the new movement.

<< Comment #88 @ 22:17 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #77

Yes and it gives a feeling of more mayhem, and this to me hasn't come a moment to soon. I now feel (apart from missing sounds and sticky ramps) quake4 is really quit fun just playin, win or lose.
I have waited sooo long to say this.

<< Comment #104 @ 02:01 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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zengfu - Reply to #77

imho, i dont like it

<< Comment #67 @ 19:32 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis

demo playback doesn't work.. filled with bugs

i've only tried 125fps q4max demos though

<< Comment #74 @ 20:39 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #67

Sure it does, I just watched a demo fox sent me.

<< Comment #78 @ 21:10 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #74

k, i reinstalled q4 yesterday in case it was some pak file or something causing it but it still does it.. hmm

<< Comment #79 @ 21:11 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #78

does what?

And what demo_enforcefs value?

<< Comment #81 @ 21:14 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #79

well it starts out as 20fps then slowly goes up to 60fps but everything is choppy/stuttery and many visual glitches like 5 different gun models when ui_showgun is 1 and lg trail is weird along with more bugs probably but i turn off the demo to see

demoenforce is on default

<< Comment #68 @ 19:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Chak0

AJ pls test & vote e.g. map_l4ctf2_beta2.pk4 in q4max ctf, if the server crashed or not, thx

<< Comment #75 @ 20:40 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #68

There appear to be two versions of that on q4files. I'm guessing its because one of them is the one which has a mapbug that prevents it from working on anything but a listen server.

I dont have time to look into what is almost certainly not a bug right now, so if you want me to look further, post a link to the map, and a condump of the server shutting down.

FWIW, I have a version of it... no errors on my server:

---------------------------------------------
5341 msec to load mp/l4ctf2_beta2
Repeater spawned on port 28104.
hitch (26 msec)
Sending heartbeat to 192.246.40.28:27650
Sending heartbeat to 192.246.40.28:27650

Edited by AnthonyJ at 20:47 BST, 4 April 2007

<< Comment #69 @ 19:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Chak0

the crashes are in q4max ctf

<< Comment #70 @ 19:43 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-217-114.pools.arcor-ip.net)

idTCP: SIGPIPE
ERROR: idTCP::Write: Broken pipe
POLL:Bad file descriptor
------------ Game Map Shutdown --------------

that happens in a running match and mapvoting

and this while map voting with a map that contains the addon.conf file

********************
ERROR: Segfault - signo=11, code=SEGV_MAPERR, addr=0xf

<< Comment #71 @ 20:11 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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zhakal

Spectator bug in CTF. When specing a flag carrier and he caps the flag, the indication in the bottom right corner is still there indicating that he still has the flag even though he just capped it.

Just watched 2 min of a game :) might find more when i actually play :P

<< Comment #82 @ 21:17 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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c1 ++++

first impression is quite good in general :)

what is the purpose of the lg knockback value increase? to counter rl? if thats the case i would suggest to set the knockback back to 6 and increase the range.

<< Comment #84 @ 21:54 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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retire

lol @ the attempt to counter rl

weaken it and it will solve the balancing problems?

<< Comment #90 @ 22:22 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #84

I think it's hard to know if just one weapon is changed that every thing is sorted. Imo the waepons need to be balanced as a whole rather than one at a time. i'm prolly wrong though.

<< Comment #94 @ 22:41 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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c1 ++++ - Reply to #84

a longer range would be weaken?
Sync plz tell us the thoughts behind the lg changes

btw. i hate the reduced spawntime

Edited by crazyone at 08:14 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #86 @ 21:55 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Cuffahid

Be consistent.
With 20 charges per second and 6 kockback you have 120 units of kockback per second
With 25 charges and 11 - 275.
Its insane and stupid, thats for sure.

On practice it means you can stop with charge even fast moving players and you force people to use LG against LG because every attempt to get closer to the enemy with RL will fucking fail.

Edited by [CopperHead] at 22:03 BST, 4 April 2007

<< Comment #92 @ 22:37 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Jamerio ++++

I just had the LG hum stuck loop thing.

q4 max
phrantic

Q4 tourney mode, it was the final game. I was in spec mode (but no chase) and even when I switched to player view it was still looping.

I nabbed a quick vid with camera if anyone needs to see it.

<< Comment #95 @ 22:50 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4

So the ESWC and the i30 have chosen to play with 1.4.1, so forget about the i30, it's lost... But what about ESWC? Will you @ ID Software be able to set up a patch with "working" movement and "working" sound and "working" projectiles and "working"...

Another question to Sync, what was the reason to change the movement? I never had any problems since 1.3...

1%

<< Comment #99 @ 23:59 BST, 4 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #95

New hitboxes causing some movement problems was the reason, i think.

<< Comment #103 @ 01:59 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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zengfu - Reply to #99

problems that were minuscule compared to the current ones

<< Comment #105 @ 02:08 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #103

Yes but one problem can lead to another ans so on.

<< Comment #231 @ 08:57 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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advent™ - Reply to #103

By miniscule, you mean not being able to do stair-ramp jumps (ie, Placebo mega stairs to 5hp bubbles, Phrantic YA stairs to 25hp by jumppad, etc.)?

But, yeah, that was nothing compared to now.

Edited by advent™ at 08:57 BST, 11 April 2007

<< Comment #108 @ 07:14 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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bonBon - Reply to #99

just keep the hitboxes like in 1.4 then

<< Comment #149 @ 16:04 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #108

They are the new hit boxes.

<< Comment #107 @ 07:14 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (anonymisierungsdienst2.foebud.org) - Reply to #95

Maybe,They will use 1.4.1 "Final".
...wishful thinking. :p

<< Comment #268 @ 03:53 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #95

Wondering that myself.

<< Comment #109 @ 07:14 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549e5397.dip.t-dialin.net)

Spawnsystem - spawning in front of 3 players is simply gay.
Shotgun is to weak in lowrange.
Lg start ammo is to low, it should be enough to kill at least one player.
q4 is simply much to tolerant registering hits with low pings (<=20).
pb spikes - if the clientprediction theory is true than i dont want pb spikes =)

<< Comment #132 @ 13:53 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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shqdow - Reply to #109

"Lg start ammo is to low, it should be enough to kill at least one player."
it is enough, u should just aim better

<< Comment #191 @ 04:35 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549E4BF7.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #132

This has nothing to do with aiming if the server is simply to stupid to register all your hits (i think sometimes its fairly 60 ms where it dont register anything) :P Normally (perfectly aimed) i hear "blink ... blink .... .... blink ...." but it should sound like "blink blink blink blink".

<< Comment #204 @ 01:26 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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shqdow - Reply to #191

weird, everything i hear right now is "blablablalba"

<< Comment #208 @ 11:54 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549e7e15.dip.t-dialin.net) - Reply to #204

I'm not sure if you than should go to a eye or ear specialist? :P

<< Comment #113 @ 08:41 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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butcher_kgp ++:

every week we learn new movements that disappear next week ..are these intended or bugs showcased as new movement changes ..we didnot have as many movement issues as in q3 development phases..was it because q3 movement was fundamentally simple ? and q4's has many things to offer ?

<< Comment #119 @ 10:38 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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c1 ++++

the movement is now a little too fast considering trickjumps...

Edited by crazyone at 10:39 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #125 @ 12:37 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549E7BE0.dip.t-dialin.net)

I never have seen the new GUI with Ambientlight, Forcemodel options or the new serverbrowser, is it included in the beta patches?
Still missing the "regeneration" sound :P
"Humilation" award sound is global?

<< Comment #140 @ 14:39 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Lukas - Reply to #125

Yes, was already global in the first beta.

Edited by Lukas at 14:40 BST, 5 April 2007

<< Comment #128 @ 13:36 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4

I'm not 100% sure but I just had a match and killed my opponent and he didn't drop his weapon...

<< Comment #133 @ 13:54 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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shqdow - Reply to #128

pummel in hand?

<< Comment #138 @ 14:26 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4 - Reply to #133

Nope, I think not, but I can't exactly say. I was too concentrated to focus on that, but it would be realy strange if he had changed to the gauntlet ^^

<< Comment #139 @ 14:28 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #138

Doesnt drop if they're out of ammo. Or was that in DCTF?

<< Comment #141 @ 14:44 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Zerialk1ll4 - Reply to #139

No it was in FFA on Monsoon mom I have to check if I've recorded a demo via autoaction...
Mhh It looks like there is another bug or the demo is broken. I start the demo, it counts down 3,2,1, and then black! I have just a black screen and sometimes you can hear a pickup or respawn sound. Then suddenly I can see the game but can't move or change the view to the pov of one of the players. Another thing is that after demo playback it leaves me with the console all over the screen and i hace to "disconnect" to get back to the main menu

<< Comment #146 @ 15:54 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #139

guns still drop if the gun is out of ammo and you die, at least for me in duel.

i don't think it should :(

<< Comment #150 @ 16:24 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #146

Thats what the DCTF comment was about. I'm sure I've thought about this stuff before, but maybe that was for DCTF.

<< Comment #151 @ 17:01 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #150

Yeah, we addressed it in Delta, especially since you can dropWeapon.

<< Comment #153 @ 17:25 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #151

why haven't u got id to make drop weapon in tdm? :(

<< Comment #161 @ 14:27 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #153

Yeah that would be cool as a standard feature

<< Comment #160 @ 12:33 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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HeJin - Reply to #151

Q2 ftw!

<< Comment #142 @ 14:45 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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jayP

anyone notice that demos taken in 1.4.1 / .078a the gun kind of flickers when watching the demo?

I took some demos of some CTF games last night and the gun was flickering like crazy :o

<< Comment #147 @ 15:55 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #142

yep, im glad im not the only one.. that and many other bugs like missing frames cause it tries to play it back at 20fps or 60fps when it was recorded in 120fps and many others i noticed.

<< Comment #154 @ 21:52 BST, 5 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (ist.ein.unterdrueckter.codesklave.de) - Reply to #147

I have the exact same problem with demos.

<< Comment #155 @ 07:27 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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ep1k

Well since everyone has already complained about the ramp jumping bugs on how you cannot ramp jump anymore, then my only other suggestion is just please put lg the way it used to be i see it as 1 put the range the old way and cells the old way lower the dmg to 6 and keep the .4 and lower the knockback to 8 or maybe 9 even
2. just put the lg back to the way it used to be just with 8 knockback (i like this idea personally :))
3 keep it how it is lower the knockback and let the lg rule all the other weapons of q4 because with the lg like it currently is you can be fully stacked and then killed before you shoot 3 rockets :/ which isnt fun for me anyway

otherwise i think everything else is perfect, imo should release a quick lil 1.4.2 for the lg and movement so that everyone doesnt /uninstall or get really bored/annoyed, Keep up the good work id looking better though :)

<< Comment #156 @ 10:07 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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Vajra ++'

Make the demo playback more backwards compatible

<< Comment #158 @ 11:37 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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Nukm ++++:

after reading all the comments and the this:
eswc: Organizer will have to use the new 1.4.1 beta version of Quake 4 and Q4MAX latest version
i30: The tournament will use Quake4 version 1.4.1 and Q4Max 0.78a.

i think its time someone tells them to stay with 1.4 until the issues with 1.4.1 are solved

<< Comment #159 @ 11:50 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +|

In conclusion:

1.4 - good patch
1.4.1 - not good at all

<< Comment #162 @ 20:24 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-084-062-135-110.pools.arcor-ip.net)

i dont know what u guys think.. 1.4.1 is way smoother and better then 1.4..

<< Comment #169 @ 22:06 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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ep1k - Reply to #162

1.4.1 is way to unbalanced and thats what everyone is saying, ramp jumps need work, lg need to be back to what it used to with 2 more knockback imo, rockets splash needs to be decreased a little amount, other than that all other weapons are fine at least thats what i think, but i think that quake 4 would be alot better if high ping didnt warp you, for instance if you have over 70 ping its hard to play because you get warped and weird stuff happens should try to make it more like quake 3 where the shots are just delayed and not the players movement etc

<< Comment #164 @ 21:10 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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wari

what have you done to the movement? now the game is significantly slower. give the 1.4beta movement back!

also why on earth change the shaft? it was already the rape weapon in the game, now lowpingers can go crazy with it.

1.4.1 sucks so far. Also I can't see a reason behind these changes, please elaborate on them.

Edited by washy at 21:11 BST, 6 April 2007

<< Comment #166 @ 21:24 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #164

i actually found 1.4.0 was very RL heavy.. that was the dominant weapon.. now with the higher knockback it seems to even out RL, LG, and RG more which is a good thing imo.

the movement is actually better besides the obvious ramp jump bugs but that's being fixed.. instead of crouchsliding up ramps, just double jump them until they get it fixed.. and use stairs more

<< Comment #167 @ 21:41 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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Morrigu - Reply to #166

i agree
i like the weapon balance so far, just fix the stairjumps and demos,
and ill be a happy boy ;>

<< Comment #168 @ 21:42 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #167

you mean ramp jumps? nothing wrong with the stairs

<< Comment #171 @ 23:12 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz

The other day I was playing a 1 vs 1 on the frags o' plenty server(only populated place with low ping for me) and...I encountered an incredibly weird glitch.

When I'd first join, I'd be able to take damage, like normal. But after getting hit a few times, every shot that hit me would only do 1 damage. SG did 11, damage, but that's because there are 11 different hits.

Also, rockets don't hit too often, even when I hit the ground in front of someone, it makes no hitsound, and deals no knockback or damage.

Hitsounds don't register sometimes with LG.

LG is overpowered (please don't make Quake more hitscan heavy)

HB still feels weak. Spam city.

Edited by Ganemi at 23:12 BST, 6 April 2007

<< Comment #172 @ 23:39 BST, 6 April 2007 >>

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wata +'

In a way to beta test the patch, I'll probably play some ffa in q4mp (not q4max because I just want to beta test and report bugs of 1.4.1 patch, and not mixing it with q4max code ; anyway there are plenty of duelers to report q4max bugs)

I would like to know :
-is there a command for autorecording demos in q4mp ?
if not, can someone give me a bind to record when a game begin ?
that way if I encounter a bug I may upload the demo to SyncError

-is there anything else I should do ? condump command, something like that (btw what's the command ? I can't remember exactly) ?

SyncError :
maybe you should put these commands in your 1st post so everyone could bring materials (demo, condump, etc..) with their reports

<< Comment #174 @ 01:43 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #172

conDump <filename> is the command. : ]

<< Comment #197 @ 10:59 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #174

thanks
I'm using maxbrowse, is that where I should put the command :
http://pix.nofrag.com/12/76/bad097859cfa2866aff966983258.jpg

<< Comment #199 @ 11:10 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #197

In that box you could add "+set logfile 1" (without the quotes), and it'll create you a qconsole.log file.

He actually meant that you can bring down the q4 console at any time when it errors and type "condump error.txt" and get the error.txt. Assuming you can get the console ;)

<< Comment #201 @ 13:05 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #199

should I use "+set logfile 1" or "+conDump error.txt" ?
isn't "+set logfile 1" a q4max command ?

"Assuming you can get the console"
that's why I want it automatic :)

btw I got some stuff to tell/ask you about maxbrowse :
-is it normal that the refresh is extremely longer than in q4 embebed browser ? (like 30-60 secs instead of 2 secs)
-it would be cool if there was a country filter (I don't have any interest in viewing anything else than european servers) for a better read

<< Comment #196 @ 10:10 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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SimonR - Reply to #172

demo record

set "ua_record" "vstr ua_start"
set "ua_start" "addchatline 'recording ON';recordNetDemo;set ua_record vstr ua_stop"
set "ua_stop" "addchatline 'recording OFF';stopNetDemo;set ua_record vstr ua_start"
bind "F5" "vstr ua_record" // F5 start/stop netdemo recording

use F5 to start demo record, and F5 again to stop. Think I got this off upsetchaps quake 4 guide. I have not tested it for awhile, cos Q4Max does them auto. Oh and as ever the placement of the ' and " very inportant.

<< Comment #198 @ 10:59 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #196

thank you

<< Comment #173 @ 00:58 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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shqdow

I like the patch!

<< Comment #176 @ 06:05 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Clamp-ok

Even though I don't like the lg being at 11 (I think 10 would be much better), I think that with the 1.4 movement and rockets, the lg is useless without so much knockback. Also, if the LG push is taken down some, add more ammo on pickup. 100 is too little, it should be 130 or 140. Other then that, the ramps could use fixing, and the rockets that don't register should be fixed.

P.S. Also fix the tourney mode bug where it crashes the server.

Edited by Clamp-ok at 06:08 BST, 7 April 2007

<< Comment #180 @ 09:52 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #176

ps. report the bug / read the changelog, because I fixed the only reported crash with tourney (player disconnecting during a bye).

<< Comment #184 @ 19:21 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Clamp-ok - Reply to #180

We have been using tourney mode a lot (about 8-14 players) and it still seems to crash every 10-15 minutes. Not sure why exactly.

<< Comment #185 @ 20:10 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #184

Get me a condump or two then, and maybe I can fix it.

But wth are you using tourney? When we say it sucks, thats because it sucks. You'll be loosing fairly significant amounts of FPS because of it, hitting loads of issues, and no ability to do things like timeout.

<< Comment #186 @ 21:08 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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Clamp-ok - Reply to #185

Tourney on killatons new aim maps :). Very fun stuff.

<< Comment #187 @ 22:14 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #185

Tourney is a lot of fun, it would be cool if the issues could somehow be fixed ;-)

<< Comment #188 @ 22:53 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #187

Tourney is the only way to have more then two players duel at the same time on one server, which is the only advantage i see. It still sucks, if for nothing else than at least for accumulating waiting/spec times, which in my experience result into annoying restart fests.

I'd prefer a mode where several duels could proceed on the same server, in a flat parallel duel mode. Like duel 'slots' or 'chambers' one could join.

<< Comment #192 @ 04:52 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #188

True, that would be better... no one really cares about the "tournament" side of tourney anyway afaik, they just want more than one duel slot on the server.

<< Comment #200 @ 12:47 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #192

The requirement would be that "any even number of players, up to a max, who happen to be on the server can play if they want to, without disturbance of any ongoing games" ;)

Would have some implications though either. While giving each slot it's own time/restartability, some of the votable actions likely should be bound to individual slots either, like voting for a restart. Question is where to draw the line. I.e. giving each slot even it's own map would imply lengthy map load times on slot change, but on the other hand a successful vote on (server) map change would cancel all ongoing games regardless. So it needs a little thinking.

Anyway, the general idea of a server being a meeting place for duelers with minimal forced spec time doesn't seem far fetched to me. I bet though we won't see this or similar coming with some future mod and/or patch as I suspect it reaches too deep into the code ...

Edited by weltschmerz at 12:49 BST, 8 April 2007

<< Comment #301 @ 00:33 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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doYdY - Reply to #200

http://q4max.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2093

<< Comment #344 @ 20:07 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #301

Good. As obvious as the idea is I thought it might already have been discussed. Apparently no word from anybody involved though.

<< Comment #181 @ 10:07 BST, 7 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ :

Ghost-mid air rockets are annoying, happend to me already few times.

<< Comment #193 @ 04:55 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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»bst +|

A small bug - in q4max when I use cg_railstyle 3, it doesn't fire in the colour of my hitscantint, it comes out a kind of pale orange(the colour the gladiator has I guess). It works for everyone elses rail though, and looks really cool :D

<< Comment #194 @ 05:09 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (68-67-224-91.chvlva.adelphia.net)

not that I like ramp jumps but it seems we need an excessive amount of speed to be able to do one now. keep it easy to keep the flow of the game going..i dont like having to back up and do something again just because I didnt have an exact amount of speed to do it...its aggravating and not fun.

player models need to be shorter, and player pov needs to be lower to match.

jump height needs to be atleast high enough to jump over other players.

rocket and grenade explosions are still too big.

bio gun(or whatever its called) still doesnt belong in the game..its just a spamhappy gun and that kind of gun only belongs in UT.

the explosion of the bfg clone gun needs to be lightened up a bit...waaay too many polygons in it...think along the lines of the suicide bomb powerup in Team Arena...less polys but still got the point across...and had a cool skull in it.

the "pro models" need to be brighter. and there also needs to be user adjusted colors...(mod or not...doesnt matter)

stop forcing ppl to have ALL the maps on a server in order to play there...give the option to d/l a map when its loaded but dont force me to download a map when I might not even be on the server long enough for it to come up in rotation.

allow zoom for all weapons and remove the one click one shot thing on the MG when zoomed in..its dumb. also allow the option to toggle zoom off and on (talk to the devs of q4max if you dont know what i mean) instead of having to hold a button down to use it.

thats all...just off the top of my head...

<< Comment #195 @ 09:04 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #194

what bio gun? LOL

<< Comment #212 @ 06:07 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #195

The hyper blaster. Shooting someone in the face with the HB ~15 - 30 times for a kill isn't very satisfying.

<< Comment #214 @ 07:04 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #212

whatever.. but HB doesn't have the slightest resemblance with a bio gun from UT

<< Comment #215 @ 07:48 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #212

Anonymous (Comment #194) was obviously speaking of the napalm gun

btw hb is a skilled weapon, and frags with it are fucking satisfying imo

<< Comment #217 @ 16:22 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #215

Yeah the hb is great when used right. Its more of a defensive weap tho imo (which it does very well at).

Oh and if you "lock on" to someone with the hb they better say their prayers because its damn powerful ;D

Edited by »bst at 16:23 BST, 10 April 2007

<< Comment #259 @ 02:18 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #217

Alright, I guess that's true enough. HB kills are satisfying in Q4, but that doesn't mean the gun isn't super spammy. Takes 9 hits to kill a spawned player, and 30 to kill someone with full health/armor. That's a bit much for a projectile weapon.

Imho, Q3's PG is way better, though the two seem to be about even in dmg/seconds. Just seems to take too much effort/luck to kill someone who's using LG, which is one of the easiest and most powerful guns to use, considering the general range of fights in Q3/4.

Edited by Ganemi at 07:38 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #287 @ 14:24 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #259

the plazma beams in q3 move faster and the splash is bigger. plazma > hp :)

<< Comment #360 @ 22:17 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #287

No way Q3's PG has a bigger splash.

<< Comment #508 @ 13:03 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #360

and they are faster :)

<< Comment #509 @ 14:05 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #508

Not true.

Q3's plasma shoots at 1800 ups, while the Q4 hyperblaster projectiles move at 1800 ups in single player and 1950 ups in multiplayer.

<< Comment #510 @ 14:26 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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anal justice +| - Reply to #509

why does it appear slower then?
we all know that everything in q4 is bigger compared to q3. is that the reason?

<< Comment #515 @ 21:08 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #510

Probably. That was probably the reason Quake 4 seemed to move slower, too.

Also...are the ledges fixed yet? I haven't been able to tell, as I haven't played Quake 4 much in a while because of too much Enemy Territory.

Edited by Ganemi at 21:08 BST, 29 May 2007

<< Comment #202 @ 14:12 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #194

"player models need to be shorter, and player pov needs to be lower to match."

"the "pro models" need to be brighter. and there also needs to be user adjusted colors...(mod or not...doesnt matter)"

"allow zoom for all weapons and remove the one click one shot thing on the MG when zoomed in..its dumb. also allow the option to toggle zoom off and on (talk to the devs of q4max if you dont know what i mean) instead of having to hold a button down to use it."

Yep!

<< Comment #216 @ 13:45 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (ppp268-105.adsl.forthnet.gr) - Reply to #202

"allow zoom for all weapons and remove the one click one shot thing on the MG when zoomed in..its dumb."

if you ever took the time to look @ the q4 sdk and def files you'd have noticed that while you shoot with the MG using zoom, you deal more damage per bullet, have a lower fire ratio and a lower spread. i'd say making the choice of zooming is something more than a visual thing, as of now...
if idSoftware guys ever wanted to accept your request, however, they'd have to get rid of these things or at least reevaluate them all *accurately*...but guess what? i bet it's just not gonna happen =)

!k! //From Greece, on holiday ^_^

<< Comment #218 @ 16:25 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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fur*q + - Reply to #216

Yea just like zoomed rail....

<< Comment #260 @ 02:21 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #216

Zoomed MG is pretty silly, I think. I can't imagine how it's ever usd as intended.

Seems superfluous. I also miss being able to zoom with every gun. : [ cg_Zoomfov 60 was the shit.

<< Comment #213 @ 06:07 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #194

Super duper agreed.

<< Comment #203 @ 15:07 BST, 8 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p549E6540.dip.t-dialin.net)

...also allow the option to toggle zoom off...

Try in_toggleZoom 1 =P

<< Comment #205 @ 08:36 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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ep1k

ok first of all..why would you shorten the player models, thats just stupid, 2nd the Napalm launcher or "bio gun" as you call it isnt used in duels so thats not that big of a deal, and why would you use zoom for sg, rox, hb, nades, ng, napalm, i mean seriously. I do however agree on the idea of the decrease in the rox explosion, but i do like the nades as they are. Otherwise i think that the zoom idea for mg is a good idea and as for your idea for players being able to jump over other players? thats just dumb imo anyway its quake 4 and the last idea that i havent gotten to that i see atm is the map downloading idea and i like that its a great idea, maybe that way it wont be so hard to make listen servers :)

<< Comment #209 @ 21:00 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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top3koms

SyncError,
Any chance we get a new beta with the ramp jump and ramp slide fixed ? I thought the movement in 1.4 was fine and can see no reason for it to have changed (please enlighten me if you will)

Anthony J,
Will we see an updated Q4Max for Linux to fix the +1 damage problem before the next major release ?

<< Comment #210 @ 22:15 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #209

We wont be releasing a new build just to fix that problem.

But yes, you can expect a new q4max build fairly soon.

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<< Comment #211 @ 23:31 BST, 9 April 2007 >>

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top3koms - Reply to #210

Good news ,thanks for the insight.

<< Comment #220 @ 21:01 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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mev - Reply to #210

dont let me wait... :'(

<< Comment #219 @ 20:35 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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zzhro^

i was just watching a ctf game on qtv and i noticed bugs concerning awards. It would show defence, impressive and excellent awards of all players, and not the player spectated, wich makes it pretty annoying to watch. I can send the demo if you want.

<< Comment #221 @ 21:02 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #219

Please do.

<< Comment #222 @ 21:08 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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zzhro^ - Reply to #221

who should i send it to?

<< Comment #223 @ 21:14 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #222

syncerror@idsoftware.com

We should really start focusing on help to SyncError and AnthonyJ, stop whining and start talking about, sending demos with, testing bugs.

Edited by crossthecerealkiller at 21:16 BST, 10 April 2007

<< Comment #224 @ 22:29 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #219

Was that max or base?

I thought that was covered a while ago? I know as a freefloat spec you maybe get em all, but I thought while following an individual you didnt. Or were you multipov?

And yes, demos are always useful, although you cant generally record a demo on a q4tv as a viewer, afaik. Demos from a client on the server would be useful, and possibly even more useful a serverdemo from either the q4tv or the gameserver.

Edited by AnthonyJ at 22:30 BST, 10 April 2007

<< Comment #225 @ 22:40 BST, 10 April 2007 >>

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zzhro^ - Reply to #224

it was in q4max and i wasn t using multipov, i was looking at an individual. And i don t have the demo, i have autoaction on and thought it recorded q4tv but it doesn t :/. Also when you spectate the team that uses your enemy model and when they take the flag, you still hear "the enemy has your flag" (when it should say: your team has the enemy flag).

<< Comment #242 @ 16:48 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #224

i thought they added the ability to record demos in q4tv in 1.4.1? thats what the changelog says at least

<< Comment #244 @ 17:08 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #242

You can record serverdemos on the Q4TV server now (which can be rebroadcast by Q4TV as if its live Q4TV or watched by clients using the playNetDemo command), but I believe you cannot record them on the viewers.

Serverdemos ftw tho, it just takes people knowing how to record them, and that its worth doing ;)

This is how I've got a demo of some of the i30 final to test with ;)

Edited by AnthonyJ at 17:09 BST, 11 April 2007

<< Comment #299 @ 23:20 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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xchaser - Reply to #244

I recored one while I was in a q4tv.

<< Comment #226 @ 05:54 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis

1. Weapons sometimes don't switch or take forever to switch.
2. There is a weapon shot delay, it used to be almost instant. Now the railgun is more like the quake2 railgun.
3. Crouch slide problems on ramps/stairs.
4. Rockets don't register. Especially, air rockets.

Edited by g3nesis at 06:38 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #227 @ 06:36 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #226

About that weapon switch I thought it was my fault that I do not pressed keyboard keys properly :D.

So I have this problem too...

<< Comment #228 @ 08:02 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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c1 ++++ - Reply to #227

seems to be strange cause i get the same issue with weapon switching and heard some1 else on a pub complaining about the weapon switch...

<< Comment #336 @ 15:36 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Lukas - Reply to #227

Me too. Had it in earlier patches too btw, pre 1.3 I think..

<< Comment #229 @ 08:23 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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marle - Reply to #226

I think i also have a weapon switch delay.
same as crossthecerealkiller.
Butt i've to clean my keyboard out some time?
maybe thats the problem.

will tell it to you tommorow

And the grenade launchers, seems also to've the same as the rocket bug.

explosions of rockets and grenades just feel weird.

Edited by marle at 08:25 BST, 11 April 2007

<< Comment #232 @ 10:29 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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wari

before the patch I never had the warping corpses and stuck hum (fixed on the player) bug, now I sometimes have both. My buddy had warping corpses before though. Crazy gamecode!
However I had stuck hums on map locations before.
The sensitivity feeling has changed for me, did you do anything there or is it part of the new movement code? I had it at 4 and never overshot an enemy, now its too fast :(

Edited by washy at 10:31 BST, 11 April 2007

<< Comment #235 @ 13:52 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #232

I thought that was just me being silly :) my sens seems faster in this patch too.

<< Comment #236 @ 14:01 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #235

acceleration ?

<< Comment #238 @ 14:46 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #235

I had that feeling. But I already adapted :).

<< Comment #233 @ 11:05 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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Corey :

Here's error that I get when trying to execute my config while playing(listen server was, didn't try it via net)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r142/Corey...1error.jpg

Edited by Corey at 11:05 BST, 11 April 2007

<< Comment #234 @ 11:21 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #233

http://www.q4max.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2139

<< Comment #237 @ 14:36 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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Corey : - Reply to #234

Problem solved, check topic.

<< Comment #239 @ 15:33 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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wata +'

secondary request productions present : The Obvious

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<< Comment #248 @ 19:44 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #239

good idea

<< Comment #249 @ 19:50 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #248

Thats so obvious that I don`t even think about that :).

<< Comment #240 @ 16:09 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (71.239.101.177)

q4tv-noticed from watching i30 and other matches
-rockets exploding in air way too soon.
-Sometimes only spawn point cams -forcing us to multipov- sometimes the server will fix itself on next map load.
-how do you change pov's when using multipov?
-make it so one q4tv server can have multiple games from different servers going like gtv

<< Comment #241 @ 16:21 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #240

Rocket issues - known, and fixed in next build.

To switch povs in multipov, you cycle using the same keys as normal to cycle. That you dont know this implies that it wasnt working at the time - this is probably linked to you not being able to cycle players too.

Interestingly I saw behaviour that was somewhat similar when watching a serverdemo of i30, which was quite freaky. Did everything else update properly, or were you basically left watching the score + chat, and occasional bursts of activity?

<< Comment #246 @ 18:35 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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xyGvot - Reply to #241

sometimes there was no scoreboard, it would appear during warmup but once the match went underway all players were shown as spectators.
/this from the i30 q4tv.

<< Comment #247 @ 19:30 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #246

Yea, know of that issue - I've seen the whine in the demo I'm watching ;-)

That seems to be a different issue tho, cos I had the scores showing while unable to switch to player povs.

<< Comment #243 @ 16:51 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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naymlis

my friend is CONSTANTLY getting LG sound bugs. Like every game. I only got it once since I installed 1.4.1 though. I'll have him send a demo with it to syncerror

<< Comment #245 @ 17:12 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #243

What type of LG sound bugs? There seems to be a second type of LG soundbug of the sound following the player, and not stuck at a fixed position.

It would be worth you checking that you get the soundbugs when playing his demos before sending them to either me or sync (q4max demos should probably go my way, since id wont be able to directly debug into q4m demos in the same way they can in q4base).

<< Comment #251 @ 20:23 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #245

yeah it follow him.. he says he gets like dif types, one is the actual hum and isn't that loud and sometimes he says it sounds like 2 or 3 lgs firing at the same time following him which is unplayable.

last version I sent a q4max demo to syncerror and it didn't have the sound during playback but he said it did help anyways.. I'll have my friend send it to both of you guys I guess, pm me your email address or something plz

<< Comment #250 @ 20:22 BST, 11 April 2007 >>

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Corey :

In final, include picmip option for everything.Can't stand those hufe RL explosions and HB projectiles.

<< Comment #303 @ 01:27 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Mitritch : - Reply to #250

Did you tried bse_scale "0"?
Although its effect is not as dramatic, as you would expect

<< Comment #317 @ 11:31 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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zzhro^ - Reply to #250

try image_downsizelimit 2 with bump on, you might like that :)

<< Comment #252 @ 00:40 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis

Lag/packet-loss
I have noticed that some servers are suffering from massive packet loss/lag after the 1.4.1 patch. Anyone else experience this?

Also, I haven't seen many people talk about the weapon switch delay problem, this annoying bug has been always around since the early patches of q4. I am not sure if this problem is related to the quake engine itself or the q4max mod.

<< Comment #254 @ 00:54 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #252

"Also, I haven't seen many people talk about the weapon switch delay problem, this annoying bug has been always around since the early patches of q4."

I havent seen you talk about it either. Exactly which part are you saying is wrong?

<< Comment #262 @ 02:34 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #254

Switching between weapons is usually somewhat instant. But sometimes, it takes about 3 seconds for the weapon to switch or it doesn't switch at all until you press the weapon button 20 times. This bug seems to be random, I wasn't able to execute it when i wanted.

Edited by g3nesis at 06:40 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #284 @ 14:04 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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SimonR - Reply to #262

I can help vauge the weapon switch one up a bit. It goes like this for me.

Happily switching weps not noticing it. I'm using the railgun, the battle changes and switch to hb, rail fires! what? switch again, rail fires again WTF? I look at my hud, thinking I must not have a hb, but I do, DOH! also happened to me when trying to switch too shotgun.

The only thing I could think of is that I was holding fire whilst trying to change weps, was that stopping it?

Like I said, nice and vauge :D maybe its me PICNIC

<< Comment #305 @ 02:22 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #284

Even if you're holding down fire and switching, it should still switch RIGHT after the last shot is fired.

<< Comment #339 @ 15:44 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Lukas - Reply to #284

I have the same thing sometimes when not holding the fire button, so...

<< Comment #253 @ 00:52 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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gribouts

A player can not join a server when a timeout has been set, we need to time in to allow him join and it's really boring to play a 3v4 in a TDM cause of this bug.
There"s also often some bugs on the q4tv's (timer not shown especially or a wrong time as well sometimes)

<< Comment #255 @ 00:54 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #253

Dunno quite how you managed to see the time at all in a q4max q4tv - custom hud or sth? IIRC, its explicitly hidden as known to be inaccurate. Was this in duel or TDM?

Edited by AnthonyJ at 00:55 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #270 @ 08:01 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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marle - Reply to #255

You could see the time in the scorboard.
butt that timer freaked.
after 5 minutes, the timer told like there were alreadye 20 minutes passed.

And i had also scorebugg, even after reconnect.
players are in spectator list.

q4tv, everythings goes fast.

(thinks you all know i think)

<< Comment #256 @ 01:18 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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retire

In priority order

1. Smaller rocket splash area and damage. Smaller direct hit area.
2. Lightning gun similar to beta 1 but *very slightly* more powerful
3. Ramp jumps and crouchslides etc fixed (similar to 1.3 as possible)
4. Less powerful shotgun at mid/long range
5. Netcode
6. *Very slightly* faster weapon switch

If you can manage that, Q4 should be much better all around. I can't stress enough about the rocket launcher.

<< Comment #257 @ 01:21 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

dreg

Like #12 said, getting stuck on walls when moving. you could be walking, running, crouching or sliding and come to a complete stop if it's near the floor and the wall.

please fix this, was not an issue in 1.4.0

soo in short (i haven't read most of the comments here...):

* OLD BUG CAME BACK: Exploding rockets / No dmg (really the rocket explosion happens because of some error, but the rocket itself keeps flying and does damage behind the target, but no second explosion)
* Stuck on walls (read above)
* Movement, although once you get used to it it's not that bigga problem, it's just annoying!

<< Comment #263 @ 02:35 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

naymlis - Reply to #257

there are times when the rocket really DOES hit the enemy and it doesn't do any damage also

<< Comment #258 @ 02:17 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

killat0n

Weaponswitch 1/2 of current , tiered armor , water physics

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<< Comment #261 @ 02:34 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis

1. Implement an easier way for people to download maps, a lot of servers don't offer downloads and leading some people to delete q4 since they cant play.

2. Implement a client-based maxfps command rather than having it enforced by the server. It would be better for each player to use whatever fps they prefer.

3. LG knockback is far too much, 8-9 would work. Range should be around 745. Either bring back the old firerate and keep the new less damage, or vice versa.

4. Allow number-sign ( # ) in say text

5. Speed up weapon switch, sometimes it takes too long to switch between weapons.

6. While floating around the map in spectator mode, I seem to be getting stuck on walls and certain textures on the ground, especially stairs/ramps.

Edited by g3nesis at 06:36 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #272 @ 08:43 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #261

Re # in saytext, thats a q4max thing because its used for the chattokens. To type #, use ##

<< Comment #264 @ 02:38 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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naymlis

rockets get shot downward when shot right AFTER entering a teleporter when it should be centered.

view bobbing randomly turns back on even though its off in q4max options

lg hum both in a certain spot on maps and following players

<< Comment #274 @ 08:49 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #264

Re bob, I believe thats a configuration issue of the multiplay repeaters used for i30 - it seems they perhaps werent started with fs_game q4max, so had the usual issue.

Edited by AnthonyJ at 08:49 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #265 @ 02:39 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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DaHanG |

1. netcode
2. lg sound bug (practically never ending for me)
3. rocket hits not registering sometimes

<< Comment #266 @ 03:33 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (p54B3E728.dip.t-dialin.net)

bring 1.3 movement back

<< Comment #267 @ 03:33 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (cweiske.de)

yea lg hum is happening a lot to me and it last the whole match.(no openAL)
bobbing gets turned back on after i use q4tv (i30 tourney) even tho it is off in the q4max settings. I had to reload my config to get it to turn off.

<< Comment #269 @ 04:05 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg

True lightning - Please implement a way to actually see your lag. Similiar to the Q3's true lightning. I know the arguement of client and server are now in sync, so we don't need it. But obviously we do when we have to a lead straight LG 3inches off the person to hear a beep sound.

Fast Sky - Abilty to get the sky totally black, or a different color then default. On a map like Death Before Dishonor, it becomes terribly hard to see your xhair in the sky.

Rocket through floors - Was playing a 1v1 on monsoon(only time i noticed this) And at the rail platform, i was standing low near the teleporter, and dude shot a rocket, which would have made him RJ up, but instead it went through the floor and hit me below him.

Ramps - Obviously we know ramps are screwed up on a lot of 1v1 maps. Also CTF map Spider Crossings(cp9)...But i would assume when ramp jumps are fixed in general, this will also be fixed. (PLEASE FIX THEM SOON)

AJ-
Maxbrowse - There are A LOT of features that need to be added to this. Is there somewhere else I can suggest these features? And is there another version out, besides 1.0? It's pretty basic now...but I can see a bright future if updates are regular.

Edited by cdogg at 04:08 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #273 @ 08:47 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #269

Yes, the initial release of MAXBrowse wont be its last. However I dont plan to bloat it with too many features (thats whats wrong with most other browsers imo) - post your wanted list somewhere, and I'll consider them.

<< Comment #277 @ 10:53 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #273

Well might as well post it here.
I like the way you can choose versions, but I think the layout itself could use some work, it's kind of hard to navigate.

-One request is for a button to refresh all/refresh selected/refresh visible/add server, instead of having to go through the menu.

-There should also be a better way to filter. Based on location/ping etc. Similar to ASE modifiers.

-Would like to be able to see scores/frags etc when viewing info of a server you have selected.

-Also when you add a server, when it's pasted with the :port, it doesn't automatically transfer to the port spot. It is pasted as is.

-A way to copy a server with more then just the IP info. Name/Ping/Players are important info when pasting a server to someone.

-Not a big deal, but a buddy list would also be a neat feature to add.

-Check for updates? Auto-update?

**Those are the important ones I thought it was initially lacking. Couple other features, that are also not a huge deal. But, IRC integration? Msg the server you just joined to your active irc channel. Double click on an IP in irc and it opens the selected server up in maxbrowse. Remove favorite after being 999 for set # of days. Option for modifiers not effecting favorites.

Anyways, most of my beef was the first 5 on my list there. Besides that, I am pretty grateful you made this program, there isn't much out there in way of a good Q4 browser.

Edited by cdogg at 10:54 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #278 @ 11:54 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #277

1. More toolbar buttons is certainly a possibility. Keyboard shortcuts are also useful (and already there) - I tend to use F5 a lot to refresh visible.

2. A location filter may happen, although I'm undecided. I will not be adding complex filter rules a la ASE / Gamespy filters. Perhaps you should experiment with changing the filter-tree structure (eg putting "nationality" at the top would group all the US servers under a single "US" node - Selecting this and then refresh visible would refresh only US servers. ATN there is no "continent" value though, which EU players want).

3. Yea - I've not put any special q4max scores parsing in yet. Note that D3 / q4mp etc dont provide this info.

4. Yea, someone else commented on this. How often are you really adding servers like this - surely they're all in the master server list already, and just a "find" would do?

5. Copy details (ctrl-shift-c) - although doesnt currently have players (does in my local copy - I commented on this when wanting to paste the i30 repeater with > 100 viewers).

6. Buddy list isnt gunna happen - it just ends up merging with IM tools, and MSN etc are better suited. This is why I dont like X-Fire.

7. Autoupdate - maybe. Requires a bunch of infrastructure behind it, which atm I dont have.

<< Comment #295 @ 21:13 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #278

Forgot one:
Ability to copy server info of multiple servers at once.

<< Comment #271 @ 08:23 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

Xsi +'

there should be a beep sound or smth when trying to change on weapon that doesnt have ammo

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<< Comment #275 @ 09:13 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

crozZz - Reply to #271

TRUE !

<< Comment #276 @ 10:06 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

Adelbert

Hey AnthonyJ (or Sync), I know this has been asked forever, but I think we never recieved an "official" response: is there any chance we recieve bots for 1.4 final or his Q4Max related version?

I know you added some new features with 1.4 beta 1 for bot developers, so i was wondering if we will ever recieve bots to practice with =)

Imo, bots would really help new players to learn and play Quake 4.

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<< Comment #279 @ 11:56 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #276

Q4Max has had bots in development (albeit very slowly) for a long time. Q4Max 0.78a is using the new bot API, and as I commented on the q4max forums the observant amongst you will notice that the bots now move a little better.

They will not be "complete" by the time of 1.4 final release though.

<< Comment #286 @ 14:22 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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Adelbert - Reply to #279

Mmmm... after doing a runBotAAs mp/mapname and doing an addbot bot, the bot doesn't moves in my map. Am I missing something in order to configure then and make them move/shoot?

Thanks in advance =)

<< Comment #288 @ 14:25 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #286

bot_runrandomly 1 (its cheat protected, so net_allowcheats 1 too). There are other bot_* cvars and commands, but that should get you going.

With runrandomly they have minimal inteligence - they pick an item at random, run to it, rinse, and repeat.

<< Comment #289 @ 15:20 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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Adelbert - Reply to #288

Ooooh, really really nice, I see a lot of advances with the bots now =) Sure they aren't like the CPMA ones, but hey, at least they now run, they jump, they shoot and they try to dodge =)

Can't wait to see the final version of them, sadly in my country there aren't many good servers with viable ping for me =(

<< Comment #290 @ 15:21 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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Adelbert - Reply to #288

Btw, and this is my last question (=P), is there any FAQ on a site with an explanation of the bot_* commands? If not, could you at least explain what bot_maxJump does?

Thanks again! =)

<< Comment #291 @ 16:05 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #290

Nope, they're not currently documented anywhere - most of them are simply debug aids and not really intended for use by players (eg bot_enemyNumber sets the enemy. When its done, obviously it'll decide its enemy automatically).

For bot_maxjump, I dunno, never looked at that code :)

At a guess, its linked to the max distance the bot will attempt to jump rather than run. It wont affect the max distance they can actually jump, because all movement is through the same interface as players - they arent capable of jumping further than real players.

<< Comment #280 @ 12:18 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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ALonDonThinG - Reply to #276

Its great to fine tune the game,but adding bots i think will make Q4 so much more easy for noobs.
I am constantly seeing obviously new players trying thier hand on the Jolt publics.The standard of play is too far advanced for them and they really take a battering.They need to be able to get a better grip of the game before they go online,that is exactly what i did with Q3 bots and i am sure many others did to.
Adding bots and a wider variety of models will not only give the noobs a decent practice platform but also up the FUN factor for everyone,

Edited by ALonDonThinG at 12:20 BST, 12 April 2007

<< Comment #283 @ 13:02 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

ini

- Smaller rockets/grenades, 1 pixel max
- Smaller rockets/grenades, 1 pixel max
- Smaller rockets/grenades, 1 pixel max
- Smaller rockets/grenades, 1 pixel max

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<< Comment #292 @ 17:18 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #283

ditto

<< Comment #294 @ 18:55 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #292

ditto

<< Comment #307 @ 02:56 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #283

why ?

<< Comment #309 @ 03:09 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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deth - Reply to #307

To be able to fire around corners and through crevices without having the rocket apparently hit nothing and explode, since its hitbox is fat. Better precision and all, I suppose. :)

<< Comment #314 @ 10:55 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #307

Yeah what he said. More precision.

At the moment the difference between a rocket god and just a good rocket user is far less than any other quake because the rockets are fucking fat which means even if you miss a direct rocket "really" it still does 100 damage.

<< Comment #315 @ 11:11 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #314

You do realise the impact of this would be to massively weaken the RL, and make the RG / LG combo even more dominant?

I think there are some other significant reasons why you dont really want this.

<< Comment #316 @ 11:30 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #315

As far as I'm concerned that's a bullshit reason. Sacrificing precision and "skill" in order to make the game slightly less rail and shaft based is just stupid (How can you justify not changing it on those reasons while upgrading the fucking shaft??????). It's lazy game design and shows to me a complete lack of care in the multiplayer design from Raven, it's a single player game mechanic to make rockets feel more real not a multiplayer balancing technique.

Most other games seem to manage some sort of balance with the rocket launcher, shaft and rail without resorting to lowering the skill required to use a weapon and using essentially random elements.

Also forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't the rocket launcher just tweaked down in power because people said it was too strong and the shaft made more powerful because some people said it was too weak? Perhaps the rocket launcher was too powerful because it would do 100 damage if you got a shot anywhere in the general area of the player.

<< Comment #318 @ 11:32 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #316

Although I'm sure it's probably a case of the engine being totall wank and not being able to handle the rockets like that and/or id not being able to code.

<< Comment #320 @ 11:37 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #318

lolbullcrapz x)

<< Comment #323 @ 11:49 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #315

The lg needs to be like it was in beta 1, rail is fine.

The weapon balance would then be quake-perfect with the rockets at 1 or 2 pixels and the splash damage to do less knockback.

<< Comment #319 @ 11:35 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #314

so you want the splash damage to be tweaked ?
would you develop, give an example maybe ?

<< Comment #321 @ 11:40 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #319

Speak English please.

<< Comment #322 @ 11:47 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #321

use your brain maybe ?
Troll is that you ? :o

\o/

<< Comment #326 @ 11:50 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #322

Well firstly I'd change it to one pixel and then test it, then tweak stuff. Personally I don't think it would require as much tweaking as it might seem, the lack of direct rockets throws the opponents about instead as you start to get proper knocks ups etc.

<< Comment #329 @ 11:58 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #326

"the lack of direct rockets throws the opponents about instead as you start to get proper knocks ups etc."

Speak French please.
I don't understand this sentence, sorry ; cannot continue the discussion until you reformule it or until I find someone to translate into french or simplier english

edit : after analysis, and asking several friends about your sentence : you write like shit
me too, but that's not my native language

anyway, I think I managed to understand you (smaller rox's hitbox size = accurate splash damage and possibly a better knock back management -especially knockback's height) but fuck I'm le tired, gonna take a nap

Edited by wata at 12:40 BST, 13 April 2007

<< Comment #324 @ 11:49 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #321

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&safe=of...p;ct=title

<< Comment #327 @ 11:51 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #324

What? I know what splash damage is.

<< Comment #328 @ 11:53 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #327

so, do you want the rockets splash damage being modified ?

"Perhaps the rocket launcher was too powerful because it would do 100 damage if you got a shot anywhere in the general area of the player."

<< Comment #331 @ 12:16 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #328

............I'm talking about the rockets being wide. Currently a shot that "would" be a miss and splash damage in other quakes/ut's etc is resulting in a 100 damage direct hit.

I'm saying the rockets should be 1 pixel wide, this allows

A) You to shoot around corners. This is beneficial to combatting rail/shaft dominance as it allows you to shoot rockets without having to go all the way around a corner and get 90 damage planted on your ass
B) It means that those with great rocket skill are rewarded with 100 damage and good knock ups as opposed to everyone being rewarded with 100 damage and tiny knockups.

Of course the splash damage might have to be tweaked to be bigger or do a little more damage, or even maybe the rockets made faster.

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<< Comment #332 @ 12:22 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #331

[+] ini - but one thing to add: less knockback on splash damage

THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR 1.4 FINAL

<< Comment #333 @ 12:50 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #331

I partly agree with you
anyway I think this need some tests
I don't care about the rox at corner thingy vs a shaft because I don't duel, but a better managed knockback should be great

is gtr dead ? it could provide a good testing platform

<< Comment #334 @ 13:30 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #333

"don't care about the rox at corner thingy vs a shaft because I don't duel"

it will effect any gametype :) - in ctf for example, you can take out the flag carrier with an air rox through a small gap - or on tdm you can blast away the quad carrier with a 180 air rox through the hole.

Duel maps Ravage and Torment will benefit hugely as you'll be able to shoot rockets through the small holes/grates. This could also be developed in tdm/ctf maps.

Edited by diabz at 13:31 BST, 13 April 2007

<< Comment #335 @ 13:48 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #334

sure that's an improvement, but a little one to me. I don't play competitively and I'm not too regarding about these kind of stuffs ; e.g. things like netcode have to be improved before thinking such details (that's just imo)
but why not

anyway, I'm interested by a better knockback (better hit location, more height gained if well aimed -a better lift management in other words), and the 1pixel large rox tweak could help I think
this would be great, and I would really see a gameplay difference (rox's knockback seeming so random atm)

<< Comment #337 @ 15:36 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #335

Well heres my 2p on why 1px is good:

When you're in a situation where you really need to get a rocket around a corner, or in a tight place, ie under a ledge and you need to shoot up, you have much more room to do it. There are sooooo many times when I fire a rocket which would most likely hit, but is stopped by the side of the wall or something because the rockets are so large. And there in those kind of situations its basically impossible to fire the rocket where it will get through without exposing yourself a lot more, leaving you open to a rail shot. Another thing that can happen is the rockets explode on the wall, which damages you and can push you off a ledge. IMO 1px rockets might make direct hits a bit harder, but it would make splash damage hits and firing around corners a lot easier to pull off, so it should level out.

Maybe it is a bad idea and wouldn't work with Q4 (I doubt it though, seeing as it worked very well in all the other quakes), but it would be nice to at least give it a chance.

<< Comment #345 @ 20:29 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #337

The only way this wouldn't make RL gimp is if you made it 1pixel, but raised splash damage. Either radius or dmg itself. For now BECAUSE the pixel is so large, the splash damage is that much more effective cause it thinks it's closer to it's target then what it seems. If you make the pixel smaller RL would become that much less powerful, and it's already the 3rd sometimes 4th weapon of choice in a melee fight. I agree with making the pixel smaller...But only way to do this and make it fair is if you buff something about the rocket. By either
1) Give direct rocket more dmg then just standard 100
2) Give splash damage more radius
3) Make Splash dmg more powerful.

Also don't agree with lowering knockback of rockets. It's the greatest feeling to shoot someone that pops them into the air, then hit an air rock killing them. They already made this a little harder by making hitbox smaller.

<< Comment #347 @ 22:02 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #345

Well, it's not like they aren't tweaking all the weapons in Q4 anyway is it!

1pixel projectiles!!!!!!!!!!! gogogoogog

<< Comment #350 @ 22:24 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #347

I would like to see how 1 pixel rockets would play also

<< Comment #363 @ 22:27 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #345

What's your list of weapons to use in melee combat? In order of precedence, of course.

<< Comment #365 @ 22:50 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #363

I said most people not me. I've always been rocket heavy. But most are so ping dependant. So it's usually LG / RG / SG, and some PG.

<< Comment #366 @ 00:50 BST, 15 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #365

I usually use pg/hb first, then rg, rl, gaunt, and lg.

Not a big LG fan, since it seems to be the most disproportionately balanced weapon in the game.

<< Comment #367 @ 00:52 BST, 15 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #314

So if I understand you correctly, you want the rockets to be the size of a small car?

<< Comment #368 @ 01:41 BST, 15 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #367

I don't see how that is fun :p

<< Comment #361 @ 22:17 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #283

So, are you saying that you want smaller rockets/grenades?

And that you want them to be 1 pixel in size?

Or are you saying that you want huge rockets and grenades?

<< Comment #362 @ 22:23 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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ini - Reply to #361

Smaller, ideally a maximum size of 1pixel.

<< Comment #364 @ 22:29 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #362

I was JK. The trick is, when someone explicitly states what they want, you ask the person if he wants the opposite of what you know he wants.

It's fun.

<< Comment #285 @ 14:14 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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anal justice +|

Another issue with 1.4.1. SMP 1 is now working AGAINST my frame rate. My CPU is E4300 @ 3.3GHz. The 1.4.1 patch also introduced several performance issues I never had before. Especially in single player.

<< Comment #293 @ 17:25 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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z3on

wow.. this game is really messed up.

<< Comment #297 @ 22:08 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #293

You sir, are the messed up one.

<< Comment #302 @ 01:12 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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z3on - Reply to #297

perhaps

doesnt stop the fact that q4 is messed up too :P

<< Comment #296 @ 21:30 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

By

beute

bring back 1.3 + si_fps + 1.4 rail + all bugfixes

<< Comment #308 @ 02:57 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #296

"1.3 + si_fps + 1.4 rail" is called 1.4

edit : I just realised the only thing missing in this list is the octogonal player hitbox.
no way we go back to the old square shitty hitbox

Edited by wata at 04:19 BST, 13 April 2007

<< Comment #298 @ 22:55 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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cdogg

Suggestion for Q4MAX. Use everything CPM/OSP has. j/k
easy ones please.
Auto lock teams once game starts.
/Topshots (show the person with best stats for each weapon)
CTF - Show Flag Time
Show damage given and received.

<< Comment #310 @ 04:21 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #298

seconded, even if it's no q4m thread

<< Comment #311 @ 05:12 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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cdogg - Reply to #310

Well these could be made by ID themselves if they wanted. But they won't do it. I'd love for them too, but it's usually the MODs that put all the cool features in there.

<< Comment #313 @ 06:12 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #311

yeah, I don't understand why such usual features arn't in the vanilla game
we arn't in 1999, esport is real and well alive, and such features are appreciated even on public servers

yet there are some progresses, thx to Sync (brightskins, force model & co), but so much more could be done on simple things without much coding efforts (plus some features are already coded by moding teams)

make me think I'll fucking laugh when I'll see there is no brightskins in vanilla ut3, and stuffs like that, still missing in an online esport oriented game (I soooooo wanna play hide and seek in a fast paced fps against morrons who pick the thinest/darkest skin..)

<< Comment #300 @ 23:43 BST, 12 April 2007 >>

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mefajpE^ :

cg_nomip PLZ

<< Comment #304 @ 01:27 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Mitritch : - Reply to #300

image_filter "GL_LINEAR" ?

<< Comment #306 @ 02:22 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis

r_fastsky PLZ

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<< Comment #325 @ 11:50 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #306

yes!

<< Comment #370 @ 00:57 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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KM - Reply to #306

Yes!

How come this feature isn't already added through mods at least?

<< Comment #312 @ 05:36 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (tor-proxy.cc.duth.gr)

RG,LG sounds STILL looping/stuck

<< Comment #330 @ 12:03 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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mev - Reply to #312

confirmed. that i did get LG sound stuck, looping. but the cause could be that i used my old cfg. So I dont jump to conclusions that its not fixed.

<< Comment #338 @ 15:44 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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»bst +|

A small thing: when you are spectating in FFA, it counts as time spent playing. I don't really like it because if you spend 5 mins observing and 5 mins playing it looks like you've been playing for 10 mins. The timer should reset when you join the game imo, and shouldnt even be on when youre observing. Another thing is maybe make the timer more accurate, such as 7m52s or something.

<< Comment #342 @ 16:33 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #338

This was addressed in 1.4.1, I believe.

Its quite possible I didnt apply it to q4max though - will look into it for .78b.

<< Comment #355 @ 17:27 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

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pling - Reply to #342

Don't think it is addressed (as default) in 1.4.1 - I was playing on a vq4 FFA server last night, specced the first half of a game, but my timer at the end of the game looked like I was playing the whole game.

<< Comment #340 @ 16:05 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Erk '

There is one thing that annoys me in q4, and that is weapon priority. I don't know of any way to set this, but it should be possible. Say I have very little ammo left but I think it might be enough to finish my opponent, then as I run out of ammo it switches to rail and fires a shot leaving me without the ability to get another weapon up for close to 2 seconds. It shouldn't be a major risk to fire all the ammo you have in a weapon. Letting me setup the priority so it will always switch to say RL or HB or whatever I prefer, as long as I have it, would be nice.

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<< Comment #341 @ 16:19 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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crozZz

^ listen to them. Both make a point.

<< Comment #343 @ 19:54 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

By

wari

after playing a bit more i have to say that the shaft is nice. now the rl under the mega on monsoon is no longer a deathtrap since the shaft can't reach as far, also the time it takes to take someone down is longer.

<< Comment #346 @ 20:31 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

By

cdogg

Shouldn't a thread be majored after 10,000 hits and 400comments?

<< Comment #348 @ 22:06 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

By

Aquashark ++

SyncError or the Q4Max team: please remove cvar_restart

it's fucking annoying when typing cv [tab] (out of habit from Q3) and getting cvar_restart.. you can fuck your cfg easily

<< Comment #349 @ 22:22 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #348

quite the opposite, cvar_restart (esp as part of the "loadProfile" command) is a very useful way to FIX a config. ;)

[besides, in q3 its cg / cl_ and sv_, not cv_, isnt it?]

Edited by AnthonyJ at 22:23 BST, 13 April 2007

<< Comment #351 @ 22:51 BST, 13 April 2007 >>

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Aquashark ++ - Reply to #349

cv as in callvote shortcut :(

you could leave only the menu entry Load Defaults :P

<< Comment #358 @ 18:46 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

xgo : - Reply to #348

cal [tab] ;)

<< Comment #352 @ 01:35 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

Jazka

I suppose it was noticed, but i'm lazzy, so : we can't rejoin a paused game. This is just silly.

<< Comment #353 @ 01:44 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (d54C34B5F.access.telenet.be)

hey guys i got a GREAT idea ;p
lets use the weaponswitch and weapondamage from quake 3
that way everybodys happy we all know q3 weapons where balanced good
so why we havin this discussion fix it ! =:)

<< Comment #354 @ 15:27 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (81-208-60-205.ip.fastwebnet.it)

@syncerror
2 serious bugs:
1. when a player model is spawned, it looks like it's not ready to be shot, in fact there're at least 500ms in which any shot to that model results in no hit, and also i can still see the player model being "dragged" to the spawnpoint, which is totally crap. any visible rendermodel should have a clipmodel *as soon as it becomes visible*

2. huge bug with collision detection or prediction, can't say what of the two. my net_clientPrediction is 0, i shoot a rocket which i see hitting *the middle of the chest of the moving target* which is just falling down some normal edge, and thus is not moving really fast, and i don't get any damage for the hit... ping? 6ms... this must be fixed somehow.
if it's not a clipping error, then in the next patch i want to be able to see *exactly* the infos the client gets from the server, and screw frametime prediction or crap used to smooth anims, i want an option allowing me to see what was really going on at the time the server sent the data...

<< Comment #356 @ 17:38 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

GODLIKE72

Ramp jumps.. weird.. at least, when combo slide-ramp. Can't describe what doesn't work, but previously easy jumps are hit and miss.

LG - Please don't change this. Maybe knockback 9, worst case. It's big fun, right now.

<< Comment #357 @ 18:33 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

retire

ok..
Rockets: 4 units, Splash radius decrease by 10, Knockback decrease by 5
LG: 7 damage, 0.045 fire rate, Knockback 9
SG: Increase spread so distance matters more
MG: Damage from 7 -> 5
GL: Bounce increase slightly, fuse decrease to 0.2, speed increase by 10
Gauntlet: Windup 0, range decrease 48 -> 45

I assume you'll fix the movement :D

Edited by diabz at 18:30 BST, 15 April 2007

<< Comment #369 @ 00:46 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #357

just increase rocket splash damage

<< Comment #359 @ 21:57 BST, 14 April 2007 >>

By

g3nesis

my keyboard's character repeat delay becomes slow in windows after loading q4 and quiting, but it doesn't happen every time. Anyone else experience this?

<< Comment #371 @ 04:50 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

By

CR0C0

It is impossible to jump in Q4 while moving backwards and holding a strafe key.
This needs to be fixed so players can master backwards strafe jumping.

<< Comment #374 @ 06:57 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #371

You sure that isnt your keyboard?

<< Comment #375 @ 07:02 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #371

its fine for me :x

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<< Comment #378 @ 20:50 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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Cybo - Reply to #371

I had that problem, until (like AJ said) I found out it was just my keyboard. You'll just have to bind back to a different key (I use WASD and tried back on my X key, and it worked). I guess some keyboards just aren't made for pressing certain buttons at the same time.

Edited by Cybo at 20:52 BST, 17 April 2007

<< Comment #373 @ 06:08 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

By

tewic

- Optimize netcode more, it's too damn sensitive to pingspikes.
- Keep LG as it is now, just get the bug with linux servers fixed and I'm sure it's alright.

ow and yeah, fix the rampjumps, now all my jumps fail =P

<< Comment #376 @ 07:36 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #373

Yeah. I personally think movement back to how 1.4 was would be good. It was fine when you got used to it.

<< Comment #377 @ 11:28 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

By

bonBon

this has been said a bajillion times before, but the knockback on lg is hard gay.

<< Comment #379 @ 21:01 BST, 17 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #377

i like it

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<< Comment #380 @ 13:51 BST, 18 April 2007 >>

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Anonymous (c-71-193-228-189.hsd1.or.comcast.net) - Reply to #379

You must play with a ping usually under 70. Sadly, some of us on the west coast are not so lucky.

<< Comment #381 @ 16:45 BST, 18 April 2007 >>

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HeJin

I tried to watch a demo today of a game i had yesterday. And i had this weird problem.

When i played the demo it seems i had died during warmup. I didn't bother to spawn as the game was about to start. But the cam stayed at the point where I died. I was running around in the game just the cam stayed at the point where i died.
This only took about 30s then the problem fixed itself. I got the demo and will up it if needed.

<< Comment #382 @ 18:02 BST, 18 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #381

demos are filled with problems in 1.4.1 (at least in q4max).. try stopping the demo then playing it again, usually fixes them for me

<< Comment #383 @ 18:12 BST, 18 April 2007 >>

By

HeJin

yeah it worked after 30seconds, I just wanted to let the Q4max crew know about it.

<< Comment #384 @ 17:22 BST, 19 April 2007 >>

By

naymlis

I haven't tried this without q4max loaded (I will later today) but when I'm in a server and either disconnect and use the ingame browser to connect to a different server or just go straight to the in game browser without disconnecting from the first server and connecting to another one quake4 will crash everytime.

<< Comment #385 @ 22:09 BST, 19 April 2007 >>

By

g3nesis

LG spends bolts way too fast, this needs to be slowed down a bit. Increase the damage, decrease the knockback. Also, it seems like the lg damage isn't registering properly as I am not hearing the damage beeps like i used to before the 1.4.1

<< Comment #386 @ 22:54 BST, 19 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #385

sometimes you don't hear the beep when its actually hitting on a server with like a 50 snapshotdelay setting. i did not experience this on any servers with 30

<< Comment #387 @ 03:17 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

By

bonBon

when playing in a lan game...server downloading is a pita. id like it so that the person trying to connect to the server, only has to download whats being played. also, make it so the creator of the server can choose how to send the files. right now i think the only way is to link to URLs afaik. itd be cool if the creator of the sevrer can send files directly.

<< Comment #388 @ 06:48 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #387

They can. Ever since 1.4.1 there has been a built in http server using the net_serverDownload 3 option:

set net_serverDownload 3
set net_serverDlBaseURL ""
set net_serverDlTable "*"

<< Comment #389 @ 09:41 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #388

Minor correction - it was added in 1.4 not 1.4.1 ;)

<< Comment #390 @ 15:57 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #389

Heh, I meant 1.4, I think I typed the .1 out of habit. ;)

<< Comment #391 @ 17:22 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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NaAani

After seeing how bitchy it seems to be to get the movment to 1.3 standard with the new hitboxes I figure the best thing would really be to go back to the old hitboxes.
The new hitboxes seems to cause alot more trouble than they do good tbh =/

<< Comment #392 @ 18:22 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #391

Hell yeah :). Personally I prefer 1.3 patch.

<< Comment #393 @ 18:59 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #391

maybe a smaller cube might be better? I don't really mind the 1.4 hitboxes though ;)

<< Comment #395 @ 19:22 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #393

That would probably cause weird bugs =P

<< Comment #402 @ 00:45 BST, 21 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #393

I agree, the new hitboxes are trash.. a smaller cube might be better...

<< Comment #394 @ 19:19 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #391

please no

<< Comment #396 @ 19:23 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #394

You wouldn't happend to have some arguments against the old hitboxes?

<< Comment #397 @ 19:27 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #396

aiming requires more skill and crouchsliding/moving around corners and people feel much better. The only con was the ramp jumps by stairs like on placebo and monsoon but it wasn't that big of a deal and it was adaptable. I say let id work on their new movement, I'm sure it'll turn out to be good (they already helped with part of ramp jumps in a way, see my placebo jump thread)

Edited by naymlis at 19:27 BST, 20 April 2007

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<< Comment #398 @ 19:32 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #397

Yeah thats true. But It`s possible to solve those problems ? Sync/AnthonyJ ? Just say YES/NO :)

<< Comment #403 @ 01:35 BST, 21 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #398

Yes, of course.

<< Comment #399 @ 20:04 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #397

Well, I don't know if aiming takes more skill, more like, everyone hits less. No real diffrence in the skill it takes.
The movement feels all around pretty fucked for me, haven't found anything possitive with it =/

<< Comment #400 @ 20:10 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #399

But naymlis is more pro dude ! So he has more right :P

<< Comment #401 @ 23:40 BST, 20 April 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #400

Huh?

<< Comment #404 @ 07:14 BST, 21 April 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #397

What needs to be done imo, is to keep the 1.4 hitboxes but give them the exact same movement that 1.3 had. If id can do that then theres nothing to worry about ;)

<< Comment #520 @ 01:04 BST, 30 May 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #391

squarical (I know this word doesn't exist, but you get it anyway) hitbox sux regarding to bump-into/pass a player comparative to octo hitbox (franglish ftw when you're drunk - anyway you got it)

q3 : you can jump over player
q4 : you can glide along player (right word ? take a look x)
else : fail@GoodGameplay

edit : sorry I don't understand how this old comment from 20 April 2007 got highlightnened today

Edited by wata at 01:10 BST, 30 May 2007

<< Comment #405 @ 23:59 BST, 21 April 2007 >>

By

wata +'

remove rail

<< Comment #406 @ 01:45 BST, 22 April 2007 >>

By

num3

Sync i dont know if something has been changed about that but since 1.4.1 it seems that i have really bad performance on my pc. I used to have 80+ fps in most of the maps (about 70+ in ctf) and now i get an avreage of 30-40 fps in duel and about 15 fps in ctf. I have also formatted with no more results. :( It only does that in q4 since i run cod2 and cnc3 flawlessly.

I run on a P4 3.6Ghz
a gig of ram
x850XT 256mb

<< Comment #407 @ 08:18 BST, 22 April 2007 >>

By

g3nesis

I have a great suggestion, hire the q4max staff to id software so you can replace the q4base (q4mp) with q4max...

<< Comment #408 @ 09:10 BST, 22 April 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #407

Heey that was mine ! :o). I wrote it here 2 months ago.

<< Comment #410 @ 05:51 BST, 23 April 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #408

great minds think alike!

<< Comment #409 @ 21:25 BST, 22 April 2007 >>

By

Vayne

I would like to see a good effort for liquids, water etc and sound effects to go with it. The physics change when ur under the water and such.

<< Comment #411 @ 07:20 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

By

dape

Add timer for overtime in CTF.

<< Comment #412 @ 09:28 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

By

TTK-Bandit

dunno if this has been noticed yet, but this happened to me yesterday:
I started a singleplayer map with map game/waste.map, entered give all and after a few shots it crashed.
haven't tested other maps yet.

<< Comment #417 @ 16:46 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #412

singleplayer is broken in 1.4.1

<< Comment #413 @ 10:54 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

By

|nFin1teFX|

stop making errors in the default.cfg... plz (or atleast give the important settings the right value) and theres probably a reason why ppl prefer playing pr 1.3 instead of 1.4 beta..

i seriously think that adding delay caused by the default config isnt the way 2 go..nuf said.

<< Comment #414 @ 11:00 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

By

g0th

I always get disconnected on q4tv when the game is paused.

<< Comment #420 @ 20:44 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

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g0th - Reply to #414

hmm guess this is old news it was fixed today on max 78b

<< Comment #415 @ 13:16 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

By

Anonymous (c-71-193-228-189.hsd1.or.comcast.net)

make pickup radius for flags and powerups larger in ctf. As of now, I often feel like I run through one or the another, but find I don't actually pick the item up. Items were the perfect size for 1.3, but w/ the smaller hitboxes I think the pickup radius should be slightly enlarged.

<< Comment #416 @ 14:11 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

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Erk '

Make the arms part of the hitbox? Can shoot trough them even when both players are standing still, which is probably the reason for alot of complaints regarding rails going straight trough. Situations like this is so annoying: You see someone camping with regen to gather HP, you only see his arms but place a rail on them and it goes straight trough.

Edited by Erk at 14:13 BST, 25 April 2007

<< Comment #418 @ 20:01 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

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tzz '

I'm getting this bug in my server with the autodownload function: using net_serverdownload 2 it tries to download pk4s from bahblahblah/ase instead of bahblahblah/q4base. I have tried both with my server and with the default quakecommunity one, none of them work.

For the time being I have bypassed that bug by renaming my baseq4 folder to aseq4.

<< Comment #419 @ 20:11 BST, 25 April 2007 >>

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tzz '

Also, I just joined a Q4TV server for the first time, and I noticed three more bugs:

- While in timeout you can't show the scoreboard. It flashes for a 1/10 of a second every once in a while though.
- The countdown VO keeps playing even if you stop it. In this case someone called timein, the countdown started, then someone called timeout, but I could hear the VO down to "PLAY" or whatever it says.
- In the Spanish localization, when typing something to chat, the "Enviar" (Send) text overlaps the typing box.

And, as this is a suggestion thread too, I suggest fast mode/fullscreen changes.

<< Comment #421 @ 04:17 BST, 26 April 2007 >>

By

bonBon

SUGGESTION: Backflip animation! Like in Q3!

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<< Comment #422 @ 10:04 BST, 26 April 2007 >>

By

wata +' - Reply to #421

shrubbery

<< Comment #423 @ 18:42 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

By

wata +'

I would like to know the technical reason why a player connecting to a server must download all the maps available on it ; why can't this be solved ?

this is still a major q4 problem, as much as netcode issues or movements bugs :
the consequence is "there are no new maps on the servers because admins don't want to force players to download 50MB before playing on their server"
I'm bored of the same maps over and over ; and admins don't install neither FPS map versions (which have a better gameplay than the vanilla ones) for the same reason.

like known bugs, this is also badly hurting q4 growing, but on a less obvious way (yet effective)
please fix that, I can't believe it's impossible

finally, I would like to know where is my damn 1.4-final patch, ffs
:)

<< Comment #424 @ 18:46 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #423

"I would like to know the technical reason why a player connecting to a server must download all the maps available on it ; why can't this be solved ?"

There is no reason, because you do not need to - addon.conf solves this. At a cost of a whole bunch of other issues tho, so I think you should really forget about this issue.

Its not as if anyone playing q4 hasnt got a good net connection anyway, so downloading some maps that you'll probably need for other servers isnt a problem.

<< Comment #425 @ 19:03 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #424

serioulsy that's an important problem :
-I sometimes do not enter on a server that requiers to dl 50MB (of useless olds beta maps most of the time. servers admins fault, I know, but what can I do about it ?) because I don't want to wait to play
-"Its not as if anyone playing q4 hasnt got a good net connection anyway"
yes it is, and also the most used redirected-maps-ftp is escapedturkey and it's slow as fuck. waiting 5 minutes facing a black screen to play a game is bad. this obviously deserve the game.
-I know at least one server admin who doesn't instal new maps, even if he knows they are better than vanilla ones, because of this dl problem. and I bet there are numerous server admins reasoning the same way.

that's just facts, and these facts are hurting q4.
I hope when netcode and movements problems will be fixed that this will be the next thing on the iD todo list.

<< Comment #426 @ 19:06 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #425

Hassling server admins to remove dead old maps is the solution, not trying to hack around them being lazy.

<< Comment #427 @ 19:40 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #426

it's A solution, not THE solution.
and it's far from being the best one.

and if you wanna know about me : I try to help this game when I can, I even get banned doing this from servers which have assholes admin (hi DAD team :>)

I'm not saying "wtf iD and q4m team are doing, do the work quicker ffs", I just wanted to know what is the state of this particular problem which I found particularly underestimated (but I may be wrong). that's all

YO, PEACE
lol

<< Comment #428 @ 19:49 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #427

Yea, I know you mean well ;)

But addon.conf is the solution, and its all you're ever gunna get. This allows you to join servers without the maps - but only if the pak contains the addon.conf. This is the reason why Sync tried to convince everyone to release new maps with the addon.conf's.

There is little we or id can do to remove the pk4's that dont have addon.confs (like the said FPS maps).

The only way that could be done would be to do something like refuse to start the server with a bunch of non-addons to force people to update. However since addon.conf's have significant disadvantages there is no way I'd ever recommend that.

Edited by AnthonyJ at 19:51 BST, 30 April 2007

<< Comment #429 @ 20:19 BST, 30 April 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #428

I think only few people understood the benefit of addon.conf, and especially how to use it.
because if it's just a 2KB file to add into the pk4 of the map, it's 100% sure that every mapper would include it if they were all aware of it.

rebuilding all of the well known and played maps (20 maps max ?) will not take much work (I would do it if I had knowledge to) ; biggest problem would be to convince server admins to delete the old ones and upload the new versions.
doable
e.g. I'm sure Jolts admins care enough to do it ; and I play a lot on jolts, so I would be motivated (I'm fucking selfish, yep \o/) to learn to rebuilt maps the way they should be.
in the mean time we (#care4q4) should pay some hot cheerleaders to advertise the benefits of addon.conf to the mapper community, thinking of their next releases

sounds machiavellian

"addon.conf's have significant disadvantages"
WUT ?
like what ? can it be "easily" fixed ?
masterplan sounds titanical now

Edited by wata at 20:32 BST, 30 April 2007

<< Comment #430 @ 13:45 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

By

Mou7on

A solution would be for Quake4Files to accept & authorize only final & official maps ^^ There is too much maps on this ftp in my opinion :)

<< Comment #431 @ 17:37 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #430

It is still entirely up to the server as to what maps are playable and what will be downloaded, so there while it would be easy to setup, there really is no need for a separate download service to be established in parallel.

<< Comment #432 @ 17:57 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

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murph - Reply to #431

if these dang server admins would clean up all the old crappy betas of maps and whatnot, it would be fine, but i hate connecting to a server, d/l mb's of old builds of a maps that NOONE plays.

also... why can't admins put the version they are running in the server name?

Edited by SyncError at 18:10 BST, 2 May 2007

<< Comment #433 @ 18:13 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #432

If you highlight a server in the server browser, it lists the Game Version and you can filter by mod using the filter cycle in the upper left of the server browser.

<< Comment #434 @ 18:25 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #432

Or use an external serverbrowser like MAXBrowse that lets you see / group by versions etc.

<< Comment #435 @ 23:02 BST, 2 May 2007 >>

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Mou7on - Reply to #431

Maybe you could for 1.4 PR ask in bold in the readme the admins to make sure they have only the maps they want or something like that... Like to encourage them to remove all maps from their server and keep only officials maps & the ones they are really sure they want to use like recent beta maps :)

<< Comment #436 @ 01:41 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis

Not only crouch-sliding doesn't work on ramps/stairs. Sometimes sliding doesn't work at all and just stops you in place regardless of how fast you are going. For example, I would be running at a fast speed and crouch to slide, but crouching would stop me in place rather than actually slide.

Edited by g3nesis at 01:42 BST, 3 May 2007

<< Comment #437 @ 01:51 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #436

never happend to me.. you probably just had a lag spike or pressed crouch at the wrong time (too early or too late)

Edited by naymlis at 01:52 BST, 3 May 2007

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<< Comment #439 @ 21:12 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #437

Nah, it happens quite often on every server, both high and low pings. It's frustrating to know that one actually manage to do it every time but for some reason one just stops, like the movement is killed. It's almost like the wall bugg, but it happens on open spaces also :/

<< Comment #441 @ 23:10 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #439

sounds like lag man.. q4 movement stops you when you get a spike, very annoying.. play it on lan you wont get it

<< Comment #442 @ 23:20 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #441

It's not lag, get it all the time, even on LANs happens when there's many on the server (more then 3 that is) playing at the same time. Pretty irritating.

<< Comment #443 @ 23:29 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #442

you might want to reinstall q4 and ur drivers or something man, not everyone is getting this

<< Comment #444 @ 17:26 BST, 8 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #443

naymlis: i am 100% sure its not lag nor its something to do with q4/drivers. I've talked to several people about it already and some are having this problem as well. You can easily exploit this problem in CTF since theres a lot of open spaces so you can easily gain high speeds for crouch sliding.

Edited by g3nesis at 17:27 BST, 8 May 2007

<< Comment #445 @ 17:38 BST, 8 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #444

Are you talking about base, or q4max (0.78b)?

0.78b has a fix to a problem introduced in 1.4.1 (and in 0.78a) which caused players to completely stop (0 ups) when hitting a wall in some scenarios. This is unrelated to crouch sliding, but I guess is likely to occur at times when you might be crouching.

<< Comment #448 @ 20:54 BST, 8 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #445

Yeah know q4max has solved that issue, but the stop we are talking about is almost the same but not near a wall. It's just suddenly all keys and the movement where just killed. It doesn't happen at given times but comes and goes at random. Probably even got it on demo :) I'll check.

<< Comment #453 @ 18:54 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #445

Well, i really only play q4max (0.78b) tdm/ctf so i wouldn't know if this problem exists in q4base.

<< Comment #455 @ 19:53 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #453

im 100% sure its not a q4 issue since I play a shitload and this is something I'd definately notice. The more I read about this the more it reminds me of how its like playing with packet loss / lag even tho you said you're certain its not. I still think its either that or you're just hitting crouch a lil too late which causes you not to slide.

<< Comment #456 @ 19:54 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #455

"It's just suddenly all keys and the movement where just killed. It doesn't happen at given times but comes and goes at random."

sounds exactly like lag...

<< Comment #507 @ 07:35 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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NaAani - Reply to #456

Agreed, the only time this ever happends to me, other than when I know that I actualy screwed up my movement by pressing something to late/to early, is when I get laggspikes.

<< Comment #440 @ 21:15 BST, 3 May 2007 >>

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zhakal

A suggestion to what to add or remove, i would still bring up the sky, with commands that are locked for MP by using certain ones of them sky is turned off (also with some other stuff making the game look overall horrible) but the point is why hasn't it been added?

Many maps have bright and dumb textures as sky making models hard to see, either a nosky/blacksky variable should be made or a way to just tone down brightness/gamma of the sky and not the whole game.

<< Comment #446 @ 17:56 BST, 8 May 2007 >>

By

zzhro^

everytime i do s_restart during a timeout, my pc crashes, i can t even go back to windows or close quake4, i have to reboot it by pressing the power button. Considering all the soud bugs i have (lg loop, rail loop, etc...), that s pretty annoying :)

<< Comment #447 @ 18:13 BST, 8 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #446

I've seen a few people posting q4max specific bugs into this thread. Given the size of it and the high likelyhood of me not checking every single post, you really should post this sort of bug in the q4max forums.

Just to remind you, timeout + pause are a q4max feature (or you could be talking about DCTF or XBM for all I know). Having said that, I have nfi why that'd happen, and its probably an OpenAL only issue, so I guess you're sol. Dont do s_restart during timeout ;)

<< Comment #449 @ 16:20 BST, 9 May 2007 >>

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HeJin

Suggestion: Ability to remove default maps from a server. Those maps aren't played and each one of them got a better version.

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<< Comment #450 @ 17:25 BST, 9 May 2007 >>

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Anonymous (190.10.0.137)

just add new mp models...

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<< Comment #451 @ 13:48 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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zhakal

The ability to give Q4 an IRC channel, and everything said in it get's displayed inside Q4 as say. Very nice when servertesting and new ips are given etc. or you are warming up and waiting for other team to show, pretty nice to see when they do inside Q4 instead of switching back and forth all the time. Just a suggestion, nothing more.

<< Comment #454 @ 19:12 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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kevz ' - Reply to #451

think its called alttab :x

wich imo, works just fine.

<< Comment #457 @ 19:55 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #454

no it doesn't... you can't alt tab out of quake4.. itll always be on top of ur screen.. u might be able to use the system tray but you cant see mirc without closing or window mode (which causes lag and crashes)

<< Comment #458 @ 21:06 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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kevz ' - Reply to #457

elelel, havent pld q4 in ages, guess theystill havent fixed the game :>

<< Comment #459 @ 21:16 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #458

lol yeah, thats what q4 is missing.. an alt tab feature.. then it would be finished and complete!@

<< Comment #460 @ 21:18 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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kevz ' - Reply to #459

indeed :>

<< Comment #461 @ 21:29 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #457

try alt+ctrl+escape (i heard that it can cause bugs, though :/ )

<< Comment #463 @ 16:30 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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Erk ' - Reply to #457

CTRL+ALT+DEL, then from applications menu "right-click" quake 4 and select minimize. Sometimes it's bugs a bit with mouse cursor not beeing shown on task-manager but pressing alt and selecting something from the menu usually fixes that. Haven't had any bugs or needs to do s_restert or similar with this method and it works.

<< Comment #469 @ 20:57 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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HeJin - Reply to #457

go to window mode and then alt tab :>

<< Comment #491 @ 11:18 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #469

Easiest is just by making irc always on top and ALT+TAB to it :P but that's not my point, don't wanna do that. Just wanna listen in on text in a certain channel. (More like seeing everything in a war channel and still be inside fullscreen quake playing)

<< Comment #452 @ 18:53 BST, 10 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis

I would like to see an option to disable the display of awards such as Impressive/Excellent/Rampage/Flag Captures/Defense etc, as they can be really annoying.

Also, the pickup radius for flags should be slightly increased.

Edited by g3nesis at 19:01 BST, 10 May 2007

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<< Comment #462 @ 16:26 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis

So many versions of q4 are being released periodically and it is becoming confusing to know which demo belongs to what version. Demos should have the q4 version in their filenames or should be grouped in different folders in the demos folder.

<< Comment #464 @ 16:32 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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Erk ' - Reply to #462

Preferably there should be like a converter wich makes old demos playable in newer versions.

<< Comment #465 @ 16:58 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #464

Not gunna happen.

demo_enforcefs 2 solves the problem for all mod version changes, so the only issue is with engine-side network protocol changes.

<< Comment #467 @ 17:42 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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Erk ' - Reply to #465

Was not thinking standalone, but engine side converter in q4base/q4mp which would be accessable to mods. Pretty much like a module that checks demo version and loads the appropriate network packet reader for demos and correct set of assets needed for playback.

Is the major problem that demos run in pure mode? Would it take a major engine/demo-sytem rewrite to make demos playable if they are using a different set of pk4 files than the quake version beeing loaded? Not enterily sure how demos work in q4, other than it's a hassle at times to get demos playing, are based on network packets and require certain pk4 files to play. Seems to me that the doom3 engine is the direct opposit of Quake 3 engine, built for SP and MP respectivly.

<< Comment #466 @ 16:59 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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xchaser - Reply to #464

thats a good idea Erk. I would like to see some old demos with some really good battles of old events.

<< Comment #468 @ 18:31 BST, 11 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #464

great idea, but is it possible for id software to make this type of converter?

<< Comment #472 @ 16:07 BST, 13 May 2007 >>

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wata +'

This in spectator mod is still blinking in 1.4.1 (any rune, not just guard)

Edited by wata at 16:08 BST, 13 May 2007

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<< Comment #473 @ 15:59 BST, 14 May 2007 >>

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Corey :

Add Picmip for everything, I think it's about time to do that.
I can't stand those explosions and large HB projectiles.

<< Comment #479 @ 11:15 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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zzhro^ - Reply to #473

image_downsize 1
image_downsizelimit 1

?

<< Comment #474 @ 03:52 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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babyBeelz

I think it would benefit Quake 4 a lot more if splash damage weapons had their own hitsounds, like one deeper than the regular hit sound. That way, when shooting rockets, you'll know you didn't do 100 damage. A lot of times it's easy to tell for rockets, like if you hear a hit sound well before it could have touched a wall, but for HB or NG it's different. Both of those weapons have a large blast radius for rapidly firing weapons, making fighting someone in a tight corridor somewhat confusing. I hate hitting 30+ HB shots, and still hearing the armor hit sound. If I knew it was all splash, I would've backed off, knowing my aim was being shitty.

What do you doodie heads think about that?

<< Comment #476 @ 07:06 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #474

i think it would be difficult to implement since there are already 2 different types of sounds; if the person has armor, the hit sound is kinda shallow and if health only remaining, sound becomes deeper but i do like your idea nonetheless.

<< Comment #477 @ 09:41 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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babyBeelz - Reply to #476

Hmmm. Maybe an entirely different sound for splash? Like Quake 3's CPMA's hitsounds for health/armor, except exclusively for splash damage.

It would probably get confusing, but it would be pretty useful for players who hate feeling like they're shots are getting nerfed somehow. *shrugs*

Edited by Ganemi at 19:51 BST, 15 May 2007

<< Comment #478 @ 10:47 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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»bst +| - Reply to #477

Sounds good to me :)

<< Comment #480 @ 17:20 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis

Getting stuck on certain platforms/cant move on stairs in spectator mode.

Edited by g3nesis at 01:07 BST, 21 May 2007

<< Comment #483 @ 18:15 BST, 19 May 2007 >>

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PureBaldness - Reply to #480

HAHAHAH

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<< Comment #484 @ 18:29 BST, 19 May 2007 >>

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zzhro^ - Reply to #483

lol

<< Comment #485 @ 22:38 BST, 19 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #480

This is no bug - spectator mode doesnt have step-up logic, and so will not step up. However this is not by accident, and therefore not a bug.

Its perhaps undesirable behaviour tho ;)

<< Comment #488 @ 00:57 BST, 21 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #485

nope, i used to be able to go on stairs and those platforms in past versions

<< Comment #481 @ 17:38 BST, 15 May 2007 >>

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retire

ok, one last time:

weapons are currently overpowered, this is how i believe to fix them (priority order):

1) Rocket Launcher - Splash is huge + inconsistant. Also knockback is too high when you hardly hit. Change back to 100 splash radius from 110 and reduce knockback slightly.

2) Lightning Gun - Silly amount of damage in small time frame. Preferred old beta1 and 1.3 version. Knockback should be lowered at the very least. Back to 0.05 fire rate with 8 damage/9 knockback

-alternative 0.04 fire rate, 7 dmg/8 knockback, 120 ammo on pickup

3) Shotgun - Splash radius is too small; damage at long range shouldnt exist - Splat size increase to 142 from 128

4) Grenades - Projectiles are too big; unit size 3 - smaller splash radius and more bounce also needed

Edited by diabz at 17:38 BST, 15 May 2007

<< Comment #487 @ 10:44 BST, 20 May 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #481

follow up on this sync

situational weapons; less tiered plz :)

<< Comment #489 @ 01:13 BST, 21 May 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #487

I refuse to reply!

doh /o\

<< Comment #492 @ 11:51 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #487

Rockets are pretty much fine, easiest weapon to dodge atm, and not even close to overpowered. (Theres always something wrong with every weapon but this is minor issue.) Rockets are rockets, splash damage is supposed to be medium to large. Ever seen a actual rocket impackt? It's not even close to small so why should it be in the game? If you make the splash damage smaller heres on thing you really fuck up: ROCKETJUMPING! If you fuck up that, the game has lost its touch and people will stop playing it for sure.

LG is overpowered yes, but think it has more to do with the difference in netcode since 1.3 rather then the weapon itself.
As you do none damage the first ms then you do max the next ms. That seems more to be a delay somewhere and that seems to be from the new stuff in the netcode. Knockback is a bit BIG yes, one can actually stear the way an opponent move by shooting him away from you in desired directions, which is pretty fucked (esp when you have haste and stil can't come close to the shooter cause of knockback).

Shotgun is a weapon that has become better, now one can actually use it in a workable range. So it shouldn't be fucked more with. If anything 2 less in splash damage but then it's not the same anymore.

Grenades? wtf it's a weapon perfection. It's either spam and no hit or nice shooting and 1-10 hits per 100 gl. It's to big only for one reason, stop running into mid air grenades =). If you don't do that, then they are pretty small \o/

If you play 1-10 games every second week you should actually not have anything to say on these matters. If you play like 10-20 A DAY then you know whats wrong. But every weapon has something positive or negative, but its all about getting used to it in most cases.

If you want a weapon that is fucked, then you should look at the gauntlet. The time it takes to actually get it to spin is huge. Your pretty much dead every time if the enemy isn't nice enough to do the same and you stop for some seconds before both are good to go. That weapon should have on the spot spinning, as it is a weapon of finishing a person off in a humiliating way.

None has brought this up in a while so why should I when every other person complains about every other weapon. Theres always somebody whining about something, but LG has a huge knockback everything else is minor detail compared to the larger picture of the game. There are other issues that should be addressed WAY before grenades and rockets.

Edited by zhakal at 13:50 BST, 25 May 2007

<< Comment #494 @ 18:01 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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retire - Reply to #492

just because i dont whore pickups doesent mean i played 2 games a day ;)

<< Comment #502 @ 10:54 BST, 28 May 2007 >>

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c1 ++++ - Reply to #492

i am not satisfied with the range of the lg. Imho it is a low-range weapon now. A little less knockback and an increased range could be perfect.
BUT all the whining about weapon balance and so on will result in a next beta patch instead of a final... So plz don't care about weapon balancing anymore. Just fix the bugs and release the final patch :)

Edited by crazyone at 10:56 BST, 28 May 2007

<< Comment #504 @ 15:09 BST, 28 May 2007 >>

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zhakal - Reply to #502

Weee, first one to actually get it :D

<< Comment #501 @ 07:58 BST, 28 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis - Reply to #481

I just agree with you on the Lightning gun part...

<< Comment #482 @ 22:26 BST, 16 May 2007 >>

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Burger_Man

well the pro duel tourney on juen 2nd should be fun with all the movement problems and the over powered lg. lol see ya guys there

<< Comment #490 @ 02:48 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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zzhro^

x2 faster weapon switch please ! \o/

<< Comment #493 @ 12:04 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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Anonymous (fileserver.leonix.org) - Reply to #490

LoL zzhro^ +1
Is it warsow that affected your opinion ? :p

Faster weaponswitch plz !!!! :D

Kaloos

<< Comment #495 @ 18:39 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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PureBaldness - Reply to #493

LoL it was quake 3 !!! :D

purebaldness

<< Comment #496 @ 21:54 BST, 25 May 2007 >>

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g3nesis

when downloading files/maps, the estimated time is only in seconds.. i think it would be handy if you had minutes and seconds opposed to just seconds..

<< Comment #497 @ 19:40 BST, 26 May 2007 >>

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va1n

The new LG is fine. I think it counters rockets a lot better now. With less knockback, your opponent with rockets would be able to get closer and you would get owned.

<< Comment #498 @ 19:09 BST, 27 May 2007 >>

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mnemjc

Not a Request or something but a question.
When i watch a demo and i am dead and spectating another guy on the server (still in demo) why his movement looks kinda weird.
I hope you know what i mean, same happens when i am spectating a guy on q4TV..

<< Comment #499 @ 20:32 BST, 27 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #498

lag

<< Comment #500 @ 21:43 BST, 27 May 2007 >>

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wari - Reply to #498

thats the prediction, try lowering net_clientprediction into the negatives, the game will sadly get jaggy.

<< Comment #503 @ 14:33 BST, 28 May 2007 >>

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mnemjc - Reply to #500

I already know the solution with lowering the prediciton, it works better but its far from good..

Edited by SyncError at 19:54 BST, 28 May 2007

<< Comment #505 @ 00:48 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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scottma

BUG:
Wow, 1.4 has killed singleplayer ... or maybe i need to reinstall.

SinglePlayer (Ubuntu Linux):
Where - In Tram Hub station, when you go to get the repair bots, and at spot with 2 bersekers dropping down.

What - Instant the lights go out, my projectiles disappear. No blaster, no bullets, no shells, nothing. Interesting that my rockets and grenades show (but not the explosions).

Firing the DMG crashes back to main menu. LOL game crashes anyway after I fire about 50 shots from any gun.

<< Comment #506 @ 01:35 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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SyncError : - Reply to #505

1.4.1 does not work with singleplayer. This has been addressed and will not be an issue in 1.4 final.

<< Comment #511 @ 15:50 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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marle - Reply to #505

next week it wil work again?

sync ? :)

<< Comment #512 @ 17:54 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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Mou7on

Any news / ETA about 1.4 Final Point Release except the classic "when it's done" ?

<< Comment #513 @ 18:55 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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wata +'

I got a pretty good request :
Add in the Community Map Pack a tricks/movements-practice map, like Trickjumper's H0m3

It features :
-a circle-jumping room
-a strafe-jumping hall
-Vmax room to train speed without obstacle ; you can also train here rocket acceleration, hiting them on walls.
-a freestyle room
-some obstacle-course rooms :here's basic jumping room, where you use what you learned in the strafe-hall and the circle-jumps room, plus some ramp-jumps ; it's fun if you like trickjump maps.
-more screenshots on the mapper's site

The map is still beta, and hasn't evolved since a while, but it doesn't seem to requiers much work to finish it :
-add the weapons and their ammunitions needed in particular rooms

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-optimise fps performance and fix lightning bugs (there is one in the Vmax room when using r_forceambiant>0)
-checking the overall map gameplay design : I'm not able to finish the Advanced Jumping room, and the Expert Jumping room is like omg impossible ; some tricks in the Freestyle room seems unfeasible too, etc.. but anyway I'm not really skilled and so maybe not a good analyst about that. Also it lacks of Ramp-jumping, and something to train Crouch-sliding (maybe a slalom, e.g. a line to track between some pilars in the Freestyle room)
-maybe add a Hyperblaster/Nailgun-climbing room

note : Trickjumper's H0m3 has 500KB of custom textures, hardly replaceable I think ; but I guess id Software could do an exception about the CMP rules for this special map ;)

I just mailed TaLaTro about finishing his map and including it in the CMP, hoping for a positive response ; maybe he'll not have desire or time to finish it, but maybe he'll allow another mapper to do it ; and there are plenty of talented mappers on esr : Lukin_, g0th, killat0n, dnky, MrKat, and more. I guess some of them would be glad to give us a helping hand =)

Why this request

Why not give quake 4's newbies a BIG clue about quake true gameplay ? Adding this map seems to me a good idea (I learned all Quake 4's movement tricks on it) and moreover an easy realizable one.
There isn't any miracle solution to bring some more life to quake, but at least this seems to me an important step in this direction.

So, what do you think SyncError and ESR fellas ?

Edited by wata at 19:10 BST, 29 May 2007

<< Comment #514 @ 18:55 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #513

By the way, I would like to request too :
-have the HB-climb improved, at the moment its climbing height is limited (maybe add more knockback would fix it ?)
-have an option like the one in Q4MAX to display speed on the HUD, this would really help newbies (no need to reply "they should instal Q4MAX" : I doubt they even know its existence since it's a pro mod)

<< Comment #516 @ 21:14 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #514

ur second request is already done i believe.. but i don't think tjhomes map will make it in cmp :(

<< Comment #518 @ 21:57 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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m1nzu - Reply to #513

This Map was made by talatro. He made quick Updates. But since July 06 ( last update of that map ) i heard nothing from him. This version came before Patch 1.3. That means some of the Strafe,circle jumping halls etc. are a little bit easy.

<< Comment #519 @ 23:04 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #518

ISTR he also managed to release multiple versions all with identical filenames, thus adding to the annoying "cant get onto the server" problems. ;/

<< Comment #523 @ 12:46 BST, 1 June 2007 >>

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c1 ++++ - Reply to #518

agree the cj and sj room has to be improved. Since 1.4.1 I manage the black strafe thing quite easily

<< Comment #521 @ 23:47 BST, 31 May 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #513

SyncError :

[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[ ] MAYBE
[ ] Get me a shrubbery first

your choice

<< Comment #524 @ 15:02 BST, 3 June 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #521

SyncError got me on ignor list or wtf ?

<< Comment #526 @ 15:42 BST, 3 June 2007 >>

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crozZz - Reply to #524

No he is working :).

<< Comment #517 @ 21:39 BST, 29 May 2007 >>

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Anonymous (190.10.0.137)

faster weapon switch!!

<< Comment #522 @ 04:55 BST, 1 June 2007 >>

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g3nesis

backwards spectator cycling by using crouch.

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<< Comment #525 @ 15:41 BST, 3 June 2007 >>

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nemecel

Copypaste because is thread related:

Seriously, is it that hard to implement perfect CPMA's netcode into Q4? Do it ASAP.

If you have 60-70ms you are completly fucked vs a 20-30ms. The netcode is still bollocks, it has that lagged OSP sensation that made you get the BAD habit of aiming kilometers before your enemy moves to compensate the huge lag. As a result, you wouldn't hit shit, specially if you are comming from CPMA, where you have to aim to the enemy, and not to the air.

Also, get rid of that ridiculous and disgusting hitsound and replace it with Q3's one, just like Doom3 and ET:QW did. Trying to be innovative with that is pointless. You can't beat that sound, its perfect, so do it with the next release. And if you don't want to replace it, add it and make it selectable. It can be done in a second and will make some people happy.

Edit: Forgot to add:

Something that should have been gone long time ago, its the ridiculous footstep sounds when you strafe left and right continuously. Its also tedious to see the animation of the marine moving the feets like an overdosed Billi Elliot.

In order to get rid of this crap, implement this:

https://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1330538 , check the two .avis to see what im talking about.

Seriously, it needs to be done. With those two in the next patch, you'll help to end with the gayness model related. Ofc, the game still need some proper Keel/TankJR-ish models, ffs. Near 3 years and still the same stupid ones.

http://gtr.quakedev.com/keel.jpg

Edited by meltvord at 16:24 BST, 3 June 2007

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<< Comment #533 @ 20:51 BST, 11 June 2007 >>

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tabris - Reply to #525

Yeah, Keel-like model is so fucking needed. I think that next q4max version could have a Keel model with brightskins support... that could be really, really nice.

Oh, and like i said in the other thread, CPMA hitsound system, please. As a option, at least. That metallic "titititic" kills me >_<

Oh, and nerf the RL's splash. It's a rocket, not a hidrogen bomb.

Oh, what a shitty post.

<< Comment #527 @ 19:28 BST, 6 June 2007 >>

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Anonymous (vol75-7-82-230-95-215.fbx.proxad.net)

In case sync got me on his ignor list :

-optimise fps performance and fix lightning bugs (there is one in the Vmax room when using r_forceambiant>0)
-checking the overall map gameplay design : I'm not able to finish the Advanced Jumping room, and the Expert Jumping room is like omg impossible ; some tricks in the Freestyle room seems unfeasible too, etc.. but anyway I'm not really skilled and so maybe not a good analyst about that. Also it lacks of Ramp-jumping, and something to train Crouch-sliding (maybe a slalom, e.g. a line to track between some pilars in the Freestyle room)
-maybe add a Hyperblaster/Nailgun-climbing room

note : Trickjumper's H0m3 has 500KB of custom textures, hardly replaceable I think ; but I guess id Software could do an exception about the CMP rules for this special map ;)

I just mailed TaLaTro about finishing his map and including it in the CMP, hoping for a positive response ; maybe he'll not have desire or time to finish it, but maybe he'll allow another mapper to do it ; and there are plenty of talented mappers on esr : Lukin_, g0th, killat0n, dnky, MrKat, and more. I guess some of them would be glad to give us a helping hand =)

Why this request

Why not give quake 4's newbies a BIG clue about quake true gameplay ? Adding this map seems to me a good idea (I learned all Quake 4's movement tricks on it) and moreover an easy realizable one.
There isn't any miracle solution to bring some more life to quake, but at least this seems to me an important step in this direction.

Oh and I just remembered this map :
The mapper of the trickjumping training map APA Quake-N-Strafe 3 in 1 has a nice idea by including some tutorial texture, e.g. the one for circle-jumping.

Look at these :
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
These textures weigh 432KB once zipped.
I believe these tutorials can even be greatly simplified.

By the way, I would like to request too :
-have the HB-climb improved, at the moment its climbing height is limited (maybe add more knockback would fix it ?)
-have an option like the one in Q4MAX to display speed on the HUD, this would really help newbies (no need to reply "they should instal Q4MAX" : I doubt they even know its existence since it's a pro mod)

So, what do you think SyncError and ESR fellas ?[/hide]
because I would like to be answered.

<< Comment #528 @ 22:40 BST, 6 June 2007 >>

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AnthonyJ ' - Reply to #527

id cannot make an exception on the no textures rule, because the issue with textures is knowing the original source. I'm sure id dont want to release textures from Tomb Raider or STALKER in the patch.

Besides, if its not even a finished map suitable for 1.4.2 physics, and the original author isnt responding, its a complete non-starter of an idea.

Edited by AnthonyJ at 22:41 BST, 6 June 2007

<< Comment #529 @ 23:08 BST, 6 June 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #528

"its a starter of an idea"
fixed

but what I would like to read is SyncError opinion ; if he tells something like "ok, but create the map, textures included, and we will see if it's good enough", maybe we (meaning q4 community) could do this.
don't you see I do all this (which seems to me the most obvious steps) to help q4 not dying ?
e.g. atm I cannot play anymore this game : the mod I played, ctf, is dead.

Edited by wata at 23:09 BST, 6 June 2007

<< Comment #530 @ 19:17 BST, 10 June 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #527

I found this fucking rude you don't answer Mr "I'm the guy hired by id to be in touch with the community", but hey I guess it's part of q4 style : doomed from the start

<< Comment #531 @ 19:37 BST, 10 June 2007 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #530

shutup..

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<< Comment #532 @ 19:45 BST, 10 June 2007 >>

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wata +' - Reply to #531

haha